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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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we're back with gene and Chris on the

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power cast this week where we're going

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to do something we do every few months

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and that is to sit here assess what's

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going on in the UFO and paranormal

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fields kind of talk shop talk about the

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issues that are important to new

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listeners as a matter of fact we always

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look at the para cast community forums

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at forum dr. Peric ascom to see the

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subjects that get action to get all the

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discussions and obviously one of is the

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state of the US economy we're not a

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political show necessarily so I won't

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get into that but one thing struck me

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Chris and maybe it's about education I

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don't know but I saw a survey the other

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day that most people in the US who were

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surveyed and surveys can be inaccurate

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but let's assume it's a fair survey most

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people in the survey did not know what

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the debt limit means they had no idea

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and I think part of it is because the

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name is misleading because they think

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wow if you increase the debt limit you

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spend more money and that's not how it

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works the way the debt limit works is it

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sets a limit for how much the Treasury

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can borrow if necessary

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to pay its bills so if you set a debt

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ceiling and you hit that debt ceiling

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they can't pay the bills anymore it's

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like for example you have a credit card

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bill coming next month or your mortgage

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and you need someone to approve your

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payment of that bill and if you don't

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get it the bill isn't paid so what

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happens your credit card may be in

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default you may get foreclosed on your

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house if you get the picture the debt

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ceiling the debt limit is not an

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approval of

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or spending that's done by the US

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Congress it's a provided by there's like

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a credit limit on your credit card once

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you hit that limit you can't borrow

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anymore unless you reapply for a higher

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you know a higher credit line right it's

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not spending more it is paying back what

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you owe and that's the distinction which

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i think is lost but the problem is here

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is that it looks like half the people in

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congress don't understand that well I'll

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tell you it's really been it's hasn't

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been good for me I really rely on

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October for my Grand Canyon tours that I

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do and I'm dead in the water I've lost

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from four lucrative runs up there since

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this whole shutdown occurred so it's

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it's been a little aggravating and

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frustrating for me for sure personally

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it's just wacky over there you wonder

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how some of these people who are

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ignorant of the fundamentals of how the

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country works get elected to public

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office and they're supposed to run the

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thing that's bad enough the second thing

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which is confusing here is I think it's

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a 14th amendment which says basically

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that the US must pay its bills so even

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if the debt ceiling is not approved at

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the end with the president not have the

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authority to say well the Constitution

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says I've got to pay the bills no matter

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what and you can't tell me not because

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that would be unconstitutional so it

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could be push come to shove something

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like that could happen it's a wacky

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world out there of course also it's

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wacky they've got this crazy site up for

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the health care bill and this is not

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question of being for or against it but

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Chris you would feel this using a Mac as

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I do apples Safari is not compatible

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with the federal version of the health

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care marketplace if states run if they

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have their own programming but the

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idiots who program the federal version

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it doesn't work on Safari for the Mac

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wow I didn't know that gene that's a

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kind of a Homer Simpson moment there and

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the ID Department of the federal

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government well they hire these

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contractors who supposedly specialize in

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building government related websites and

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this is not the first time they had this

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when they approve the Medicare Part D

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in drug bill back about nine or ten

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years ago it took them weeks to get the

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websites to work so no that's the way it

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works what can I tell you well it's a

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wacky world gene and we're right in the

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middle of it they're still discussing

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the Roswell dream team nightmare boy

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it's never gonna end

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drive a stake in that vampire I think

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they said that about Aztec but even with

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Roswell have we had enough of Roswell

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every time we try to drop that subject

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and say there will be no more

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discussions of Roswell on the para cast

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and then we relent because we're

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sensitive folks and we see something

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interesting we relent we bring back

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somebody to talk about Roswell or on a

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rare occasion Aztec and we get a lot of

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questions from the audience you all want

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to hear about it it's a subject you

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don't want to hear about until you want

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to hear about it one of our recent

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popular shows didn't quite deal with

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Roswell but sort of dealt with it that

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was Donald Smith who was Tom carrier of

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this book about the real area 51 which

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is actually wright-patterson Air Force

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Base because supposedly the wreckage

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from the Roswell crash was brought there

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so therefore that became a ripe topic

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for discussion and one of our most

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popular episodes of course a few people

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were concerned about the qualifications

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of mr. Schmidt not because he worked at

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the post office but supposedly because

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some of his educational credentials were

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a bit questionable

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I don't think however as drastic is

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fillin brog know you know well again I

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as we said on the show prior to Schmitt

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coming on that we had already covered

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that ground prior to that and he was

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still he's still a figure in the field

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somehow he's emerged fairly unscathed

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from that I was not aware of some of the

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claims that have been made about his

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shall we say not really even-handed

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dealings with the public about his his

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educational background and his his work

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history claims that he said he was a

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medical illustrator I wasn't aware of

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those those particular details but

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we do have him back on we promise well

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we'll go ahead and and we visit that

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territory the thing is here is reading

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the book I thought it was a well-done

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book well-written and everything but I

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thought there was some smoke and mirrors

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in it especially the chapter where they

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were talking about the memory metal

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where they spent a lot of time talking

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about the people the officers were

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around that time and some of the things

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that may have been written about them

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but they never brought it together it

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was a lot of flash and very little

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substance there it's just basically

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recapping a lot of the old rumors and we

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don't know and the thing that still

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bothers me Chris is after all these

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years is not a single person on this

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planet who would blow the whistle on

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something you can say there's a need to

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know we understand that maybe there's a

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wreckage and we have some people who

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look at the wreckage and some people who

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look at the bodies and they

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compartmentalize this as much as

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possible but who aired all up hundreds

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or thousands of people have to know

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something and they're smart enough to be

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able to do this sort of thing they're

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smart enough to know something about

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what else is going on and after all

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these years nobody says a thing we have

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a few rumors here and there and then

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some people who claim to be

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whistleblowers certainly Philip Corso

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claimed to know something but that's it

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and that's so questionable where do you

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go why isn't there one person out there

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still live somewhere who says the heck

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with it I'm going to talk about it yeah

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and I've been hoping for someone to find

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a piece of this wreckage or memory metal

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in their their attic or their basement

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in some box of files or something you

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would think with all the material that

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supposedly was gathered up that somebody

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would have scrolled away a piece or two

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and it would have been brought forward

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by now it doesn't makes sense to me at

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all I can't believe that our government

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is confident enough to keep a secret

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this important for that long not that

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they can't keep secrets for a long time

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like we learn what a few years ago that

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some famous people were spies during

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World War two

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but those weren't really deep secrets

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they were rather casual secrets

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so it doesn't matter if they were or

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they weren't who cares but here we are

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talking about something that is so

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momentous it's going to change the

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course of history we've got proof that

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we're being visited by beings from other

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worlds we have the wreckage we have the

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technology where is it gone man yeah and

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not one single person on the planet even

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at the end of their lives they're not

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going to come out and say here's the

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evidence here's a smoking gun and there

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you go Jean and Chris are talking shop

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we haven't figured out which shop yet

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but it's not the Little Shop of Horrors

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don't know where I came up with a

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comment about the Little Shop of Horrors

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but sometimes a UFO field can be toxic I

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believe by the way that none other than

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art Bell once said that years ago on the

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coast to coast

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AM radio show in the old days he said

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something about the UFO field being

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toxic then again he brought on the

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people who made it toxic so it's like ya

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know if you want to be responsible for

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the problem that you're complaining

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about stop helping create it that's

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right I haven't heard much about the

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show since it's been on I know the first

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week he had the usual offenders the

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Steven Greer and the Richard Hoagland

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and all that but since then have heard

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nothing nothing L M I haven't either

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actually it's interesting you should

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mention that I should maybe look at some

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of the guests that he's having on and it

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does seem like he's just we refined the

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you know his his old formula that worked

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pretty well for him in the 90s I think

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he may be a little bit passé now I think

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people are you know like our listeners

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here at the para cast they they want

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more biting information they want new

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things to ponder and they don't want to

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hear new wrinkles of the same old

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stories that have been rehashed now for

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twenty years in the case of Roswell you

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know 60 plus years so you know I think

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that it's the ground breaking

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investigators that

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creative thinkers out there that are

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going to I think move closer to the

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front here in the upcoming few years and

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I think people are just lusting after

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something new and hopefully with all

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these cell phones that we have out there

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I think Jean I saw that there's a forty

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one I think meg camera phone now that is

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just phenomenal resolution this is the

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Nokia Lumia 1020 has 41 megapixels which

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is more than just about every digital

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camera on the market which is good you

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get all that extra detail but as a

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camera it's okay because it's not just

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the megapixels there's more to a camera

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than the megapixels the quality of the

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lens and all the other circuitry like

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for example we have the iPhone 5s a new

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one from Apple in my dirty little hands

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here because I sold all my old

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smartphones that I had around the house

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I had to sell every one of them to pay

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for this so thank me for doing this it's

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got a wonderful camera it's eight

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megapixels but what Apple does is make

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the megapixels larger makes each pixel

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larger to capture more light it's got a

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double flash on it so in dim

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surroundings it will get the proper

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color temperature of something I took a

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picture nearly pitch black in a bedroom

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of my dog I sent you a copy a beautiful

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picture of course the dog is white but

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there's no color distortion or anything

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under normal circumstances eight

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megapixels is a lot but if the camera is

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easy to use and has good features you

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should be able to take some really smart

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stuff with it I know the National

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Geographic magazine has been using these

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iPhone cameras and they are making

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wonderful pictures so basically you have

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in your hand and you don't have to get

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iPhone 5s I got the iPhone 5c for like

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$99 in the US with a cellular contract

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and they have discounts and everything

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you can take high-definition movies with

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it it's got image stabilization you got

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one of these things there is no excuse

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not to be able to take a really

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first-class

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movie or still of something strange but

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most of the pictures we see yeah I don't

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know maybe they're using that $50

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Android phone or something I don't know

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well I think a lot of it is technique it

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kind of leads to a question that we have

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from one of our new posters at forum dr.

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Perik asked on calls himself techno

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maggot maggot oh I like that it kind of

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sticks to you yeah it may be techno

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magnet but I'm not sure you know what he

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says Chris is a video professional can

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you explain why there aren't any high

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quality authentic videos or pictures of

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UFOs with all the new technology

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available you would think someone would

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capture something good by now I know the

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UFOs are deliberately elusive but with

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the millions of cameras out there why

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aren't we getting better evidence well

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you know that's a question that's that's

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gonna be asked more and more as as the

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technology races forward as we we're

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describing and I think it boils down to

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a few things first of all people don't

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look everybody's got their faces buried

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in there in their cell phones or their

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smartphones and their texting and and

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their beak I think people are becoming

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less and less aware of their

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surroundings by the way it reminds me of

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that phrase in Batman Begins really nice

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and tells Christian Bale Bruce Wayne you

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have to be aware of your surroundings

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and everybody's looking down at their

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phone exactly but not up in the skies

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they don't look to the skies yeah and

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that that's what I tell people they say

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well how come you've seen so many had so

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many sightings I say because I look I'm

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constantly scanning my environment and

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you know I have my eyes above eye level

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oftentimes and and that's one thing the

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other thing is when an event like a UFO

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sighting some sort of spectral image in

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your house whether it's a shadow person

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or a ghost whatever tag you want to put

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on it the instant one of these things

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shows up it tends to totally throw you

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into this place of disbelief and of you

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just have this feeling of your frozen

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almost and it and this has happened to

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be on more than a few occasions and I

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think a lot of times people become

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transfixed or mesmerized by what they're

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watching

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and the automatic assumption to grab a

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camera is somehow it's it's gone you

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know even even raised Stanford who I

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talk about frequently on the show he he

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just had a sighting event in Maryland a

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couple of weeks back and he was so

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transfixed by it his camera was right

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next to him he didn't grab his camera

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which is very unlike him so even someone

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who has trained themselves to react

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instantaneously in the face of some

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inexplicable phenomena even someone like

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that can can actually kind of zone out

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and become transfixed or mesmerized by

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what they're seeing a lot of these

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events are very very fleeting they don't

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have a long duration so you really have

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to act quickly and a lot of times people

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are just they just want to watch it so

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much that they forget to just simply

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grab their cameras I think this will

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change now that we have all these really

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high-quality

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cameras aboard cellphones now and I'm

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hoping that this is going to change of

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course you wonder here if there's a

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trickster element around it and we

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always have to go back to tricksters if

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people see these things and maybe some

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external force keeps people from

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remembering I've got my smartphone in my

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pocket I can take it out and shoot a

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picture shoot a movie you take me just a

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second to do that well that's that

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you're the spring that's a good point

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I'm not sure if it's something external

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I think it's more involved in a react

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reaction of a particular witness and and

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in terms of quality of pictures often

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times when something like this happens

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you get really excited and you don't

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brace you brace yourself to get a nice

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steady shot or you're so excited your

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hand is shaking if you're trying to

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videotape something and and oftentimes

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the blurriness or the the lack of

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quality is really operator error and I

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think that that plays into it as well

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and I'm hoping I'm hoping that with this

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technology now that's just leaping

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forward we're going to see more and more

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visual evidence but you would think that

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we would have had you know already seen

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some which we have but but I think I

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think there's a lot of room for

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improvement in people's reaction to

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these events we're talking again about

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image stabilization more

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more of the smartphone cameras have it

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which means you could shake it up a

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little bit and get a fairly stable image

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but only a little bit we got a lot not a

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little bit to talk about plenty to talk

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[Music]

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hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

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listening to the Peres cast

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talking shop with Jean and Chris in the

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para cast this week we've got some great

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guests those scheduled for the next few

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weeks we'll be hearing from Nick Redfern

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who has a brand new book out by the way

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and we're always anxious to talk to Nick

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00:27:37,820 --> 00:27:35,580
and a little bit later possibly the end

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of the month or early in November we

627
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expect to talk once again to my good

628
00:27:44,390 --> 00:27:42,600
buddy Brad Steiger so that's gonna

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happen and we've got a few surprise

630
00:27:49,159 --> 00:27:47,190
guests in the hopper and Chris is going

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to be going to this paradigm conference

632
00:27:55,310 --> 00:27:53,429
in Minnesota before the winter hits and

633
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maybe he'll grab a few interviews there

634
00:28:01,070 --> 00:27:57,240
on Chris yeah that would be good there's

635
00:28:03,529 --> 00:28:01,080
gonna be be quite a lot of stellar

636
00:28:05,899 --> 00:28:03,539
stellar presenters this will be my

637
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:05,909
chance to actually meet face to face

638
00:28:09,919 --> 00:28:07,530
Nick Redfern whom I've never actually

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really met and of course David whether

640
00:28:14,419 --> 00:28:11,460
he's gonna be there mica Hank Scottie

641
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Roberts Robert Schoch Robert Bauval

642
00:28:19,549 --> 00:28:17,640
there's quite a lineup la mazui so I'm

643
00:28:21,890 --> 00:28:19,559
really looking forward to it it's next

644
00:28:24,169 --> 00:28:21,900
weekend I was hoping to have my book

645
00:28:26,270 --> 00:28:24,179
done by then I'm right at the point of

646
00:28:28,490 --> 00:28:26,280
finishing it now it's now being edited

647
00:28:30,740 --> 00:28:28,500
so unfortunately I'm still a little bit

648
00:28:32,539 --> 00:28:30,750
behind on it but but I'm really looking

649
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forward to comparing notes with Nick and

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David and Micah and the group and you

651
00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:36,690
know networking and learning some new

652
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things I do plan to attend a few of the

653
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presentations which normally I don't do

654
00:28:46,490 --> 00:28:44,130
and I'm really looking forward to it I

655
00:28:48,500 --> 00:28:46,500
go to conventions occasionally but I'm

656
00:28:50,659 --> 00:28:48,510
more of a hermit you know I kind of stay

657
00:28:52,669 --> 00:28:50,669
indoors you know it's just me the wife

658
00:28:55,460 --> 00:28:52,679
and the dog into my computer and my

659
00:28:56,090 --> 00:28:55,470
iPhone and her iPad and never the twain

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00:28:58,279 --> 00:28:56,100
shall meet

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I'm kidding I do see people every so

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often you know five or six years I come

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out of the tunnel yeah I heard as a

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matter of fact that reminds me of this

665
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old legend of this songwriter who wrote

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the song you know everybody's talking

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about me

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can't hear where they're saying that

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00:29:16,850 --> 00:29:15,179
Harry Nilsson sang right well the guy

670
00:29:18,740 --> 00:29:16,860
who wrote that song was a real life

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hermit he'd always did live in a cave or

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00:29:22,370 --> 00:29:20,250
somewhere and he come out and bring out

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songs of course that song was used in

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00:29:26,659 --> 00:29:24,720
Midnight Cowboy thinking won the Oscar

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didn't it something like I write you

676
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know so people are really really weird

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00:29:33,340 --> 00:29:31,190
and I speak of myself first

678
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:33,350
or I talk about really weird people but

679
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:34,730
this conference is good we'll probably

680
00:29:40,180 --> 00:29:36,490
get some interviews out of it and just

681
00:29:42,670 --> 00:29:40,190
meeting the people once or twice that

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00:29:45,550 --> 00:29:42,680
you talk to in the phone or on skype

683
00:29:47,650 --> 00:29:45,560
where by email is great now as far as

684
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:47,660
Chris's book I'll tell you he's working

685
00:29:51,340 --> 00:29:49,730
night and day on this thing sometime

686
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:51,350
around 2 o'clock this morning he sent me

687
00:29:55,630 --> 00:29:53,840
a chapter to look over because there's a

688
00:29:57,820 --> 00:29:55,640
group of people out there and I'm one of

689
00:29:59,980 --> 00:29:57,830
them we're looking over the book

690
00:30:02,380 --> 00:29:59,990
checking everything make sure it's as

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00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:02,390
perfect as possible and it's very

692
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:03,770
important you just can't do this stuff

693
00:30:08,650 --> 00:30:05,930
in a vacuum Chris has done all this

694
00:30:10,420 --> 00:30:08,660
great research and now a few of us will

695
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:10,430
look at the book and maybe suggest

696
00:30:14,980 --> 00:30:13,730
things to make the language clearer that

697
00:30:16,990 --> 00:30:14,990
kind of thing mm-hmm

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00:30:20,050 --> 00:30:17,000
because it has to be perfect you need

699
00:30:22,410 --> 00:30:20,060
editors out there to make these books

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00:30:25,090 --> 00:30:22,420
work because you can't do it by yourself

701
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:25,100
yeah that's that was a knock on my last

702
00:30:29,140 --> 00:30:27,170
two books that Adventures unlimited

703
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:29,150
press doesn't really have the whole

704
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:31,490
editing process down the way probably

705
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:33,770
should be David of course admits that

706
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:35,810
he's just a guerilla publisher and he he

707
00:30:40,570 --> 00:30:37,310
pretty much puts the onus on the writer

708
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:40,580
to deliver the final product and I had

709
00:30:46,810 --> 00:30:43,490
been very grateful to have gene and a

710
00:30:48,790 --> 00:30:46,820
friend from Florida who was the head of

711
00:30:51,940 --> 00:30:48,800
creative writing at Florida State for a

712
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:51,950
number of years is retired now and she's

713
00:30:55,660 --> 00:30:53,600
offered to look at the manuscript and

714
00:30:57,970 --> 00:30:55,670
and I really want this but this is going

715
00:30:59,980 --> 00:30:57,980
to be I think an important work it's

716
00:31:01,690 --> 00:30:59,990
it's definitely gonna have some shelf

717
00:31:03,910 --> 00:31:01,700
life it's going to be a mainstay as they

718
00:31:07,630 --> 00:31:03,920
say in the business the publishing world

719
00:31:09,940 --> 00:31:07,640
I don't see anybody else that is going

720
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:09,950
to be able to cover this subject as

721
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:12,050
thoroughly as I'm attempting to and I'm

722
00:31:16,450 --> 00:31:14,000
really excited about it now that it's

723
00:31:18,460 --> 00:31:16,460
almost done and I'm looking back at

724
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:18,470
everything I've compiled and all these

725
00:31:23,770 --> 00:31:20,240
data bases that I've called collated

726
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:23,780
together it's it's really jaw-dropping

727
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:27,170
and I'm boy if you are skeptical of the

728
00:31:32,620 --> 00:31:30,050
cattle mutilation mystery you are going

729
00:31:34,510 --> 00:31:32,630
to be hard-pressed to argue about some

730
00:31:36,490 --> 00:31:34,520
of the cases that are featured in there

731
00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:36,500
some of the lab reports and the science

732
00:31:41,890 --> 00:31:38,990
that's been done it's really amazing

733
00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:41,900
when you look at it in its totality it's

734
00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:43,980
very very difficult to

735
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,710
to argue with it have you seen some of

736
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:48,960
the book there's an amazing amount of

737
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:51,210
research here and you know this is a

738
00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:53,010
deep book it's the kind of book that you

739
00:31:56,690 --> 00:31:55,260
really have to sit back and read it's

740
00:31:58,850 --> 00:31:56,700
not gonna be like a thousand-page book

741
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:58,860
or something it's gonna be of a

742
00:32:03,860 --> 00:32:01,440
reasonable length but you got to look at

743
00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:03,870
the research and there's very little

744
00:32:08,919 --> 00:32:06,510
that you won't know about this cattle

745
00:32:11,409 --> 00:32:08,929
mutilation mystery or whatever it is

746
00:32:14,810 --> 00:32:11,419
after you read this book it will just

747
00:32:16,970 --> 00:32:14,820
spread sure yeah you can see the history

748
00:32:20,299 --> 00:32:16,980
of cattle - you'll learn about whether

749
00:32:22,460 --> 00:32:20,309
beef is the right food to eat beef it's

750
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:22,470
for dinner or should it be for dinner

751
00:32:28,220 --> 00:32:24,809
after reading this stuff you may not

752
00:32:29,770 --> 00:32:28,230
want to eat it all that's one of the

753
00:32:32,510 --> 00:32:29,780
first questions I always get when people

754
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:32,520
you know if I give a presentation on the

755
00:32:38,180 --> 00:32:34,770
subject they go well do you eat meat

756
00:32:40,669 --> 00:32:38,190
well yeah I love eating beef I just you

757
00:32:42,650 --> 00:32:40,679
insist on knowing that it's grass-fed

758
00:32:44,539 --> 00:32:42,660
and I know where it's coming from and

759
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:44,549
that it's not some sort of

760
00:32:50,990 --> 00:32:48,720
industrialized grain fed feedlot cow

761
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,000
that who knows what evil lurks besides

762
00:32:56,780 --> 00:32:54,000
antibiotics and the growth hormones and

763
00:32:58,610 --> 00:32:56,790
I boy I'm buddy it's all there and I

764
00:33:00,440 --> 00:32:58,620
think in order to really study the

765
00:33:02,919 --> 00:33:00,450
cattle mutilation phenomenon you have to

766
00:33:05,539 --> 00:33:02,929
have you have to have a sense in an

767
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:05,549
understanding of our deeply incestuous

768
00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:07,290
relationship with bowlines

769
00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:10,260
it goes back thirty thousand years I

770
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:12,120
think 32,000 years is the earliest

771
00:33:18,650 --> 00:33:15,809
depiction that I found of a of a cow you

772
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:18,660
know a drawing in a cave painting and I

773
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:20,370
just moved forward in a timeline all the

774
00:33:24,650 --> 00:33:22,169
way to the present and into the future

775
00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:24,660
so you know without sounding to

776
00:33:29,150 --> 00:33:26,760
self-promoting here I do

777
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:29,160
I do feel a real sense of accomplishment

778
00:33:33,460 --> 00:33:31,290
and excitement about this project and I

779
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:33,470
have a feeling that the books going to

780
00:33:38,780 --> 00:33:36,570
get a little bit of notice I agree is

781
00:33:40,190 --> 00:33:38,790
beef what's for dinner or what about

782
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:40,200
chicken will they pull the same stunt

783
00:33:45,409 --> 00:33:43,650
when they raise chickens too so it may

784
00:33:47,930 --> 00:33:45,419
not be any better maybe we should all

785
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:47,940
become vegetarians but that didn't help

786
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:51,090
Steve Jobs any he became a vegetarian no

787
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:53,730
what happens to you happens to you maybe

788
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:56,130
that's not the entire picture but there

789
00:33:59,900 --> 00:33:57,210
you go but

790
00:34:03,620 --> 00:33:59,910
here we have the book that will set

791
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:03,630
aside the mysticism and the fakery and

792
00:34:08,060 --> 00:34:05,370
the rumors and tell you what's really

793
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:08,070
going on and also just telling you about

794
00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:09,930
something that happened over 30,000

795
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:11,910
years ago the people who believe the

796
00:34:18,170 --> 00:34:14,370
earth is 6,000 years old are not going

797
00:34:20,660 --> 00:34:18,180
to like that right well I go into the

798
00:34:23,570 --> 00:34:20,670
Golden Calf and had lore and the APIs

799
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:23,580
bull and the Minoan civilization and I

800
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:26,850
mean just the exalted history of man's

801
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:29,010
relationship with the sacred cow in the

802
00:34:35,060 --> 00:34:31,050
sacred bull for instance these animals

803
00:34:36,620 --> 00:34:35,070
were revered and molybdenum for instance

804
00:34:38,540 --> 00:34:36,630
the opposite and each I've lived in its

805
00:34:42,350 --> 00:34:38,550
own palace with hundreds of servants and

806
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:42,360
they would wait just hang around it

807
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:44,010
waiting for it to do something that they

808
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:47,490
could interpret you know in a prophecy

809
00:34:52,370 --> 00:34:49,890
kind of way a prophet prophetic sort of

810
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,380
ways so we've lost this sacred

811
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:54,720
relationship with our with our bovines

812
00:35:00,020 --> 00:34:56,610
and now they're unceremoniously

813
00:35:01,910 --> 00:35:00,030
slaughtered you know a single super

814
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:01,920
rendering plant can process up to four

815
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:04,320
hundred animals an hour which is quite

816
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:06,330
quite frightening when you think about

817
00:35:11,450 --> 00:35:08,970
it it becomes an assembly-line business

818
00:35:13,810 --> 00:35:11,460
that's unfortunate it has it already is

819
00:35:17,060 --> 00:35:13,820
and it has been since you know I think

820
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:17,070
was it Upton Sinclair did the big expose

821
00:35:21,290 --> 00:35:19,290
in 1902 called the jungle which many of

822
00:35:24,260 --> 00:35:21,300
us are kind of forced to read his kids

823
00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:24,270
in school and and that came on the heels

824
00:35:29,630 --> 00:35:26,220
of the Sherman Antitrust Act which was

825
00:35:32,180 --> 00:35:29,640
actually devised in 1896 to break up the

826
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beef trust and and it wasn't until the

827
00:35:38,570 --> 00:35:35,160
jungle was released that that the outcry

828
00:35:40,580 --> 00:35:38,580
became so loud that certain legal

829
00:35:42,830 --> 00:35:40,590
measures were were enacted by the

830
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:42,840
government to break up the beef trust

831
00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:45,210
and you know all this stuff mad cow

832
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:47,310
disease rinderpest I mean how many

833
00:35:51,110 --> 00:35:48,570
people out there have even heard of

834
00:35:52,930 --> 00:35:51,120
rinderpest it's a scourge that killed

835
00:35:57,500 --> 00:35:52,940
almost all the cattle in Europe in the

836
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,510
1860s all this stuff is connected to the

837
00:36:02,060 --> 00:35:59,760
mystery that we now know as the cattle

838
00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:02,070
mutilations and I think I make a pretty

839
00:36:07,220 --> 00:36:04,200
good case tying all this stuff together

840
00:36:10,190 --> 00:36:07,230
I just you know I'm standing on the

841
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:10,200
shoulders of giants my data bases

842
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:12,180
the actual case histories of the

843
00:36:17,150 --> 00:36:14,490
phenomena are have never been brought

844
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,160
together in this fashion and when you

845
00:36:22,580 --> 00:36:20,160
see and when you see how this thing

846
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unfolded in the 70s it's it's

847
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jaw-dropping we're gonna drop some more

848
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jaws on you or something nothing to do

849
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with sharks

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but today we're kind of sitting around

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the old campfire and we're doing that to

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talk shop we have your questions left to

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902
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your house has been ransacked by

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904
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three times brighter than our previous

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model the brightness of our new fake TV

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is equivalent to a 40 inch TV it

909
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simulates the color and motion of a real

910
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TV while you're away from home and when

911
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burglars think someone is home watching

912
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television they're likely to pass your

913
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house and move on to an easier target

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921
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began to do a lot of research into why

922
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even if I had a pretty good-sized meal

923
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that I was still starving and my

924
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research led me to a well-known fact

925
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that most of the soils that we grow our

926
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crops on here in the United States and

927
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across the industrialized world are

928
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almost completely depleted of almost all

929
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of the key minerals and trace elements

930
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that our bodies need to rebuild

931
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themselves fight off cancer and be

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healthy I then searched out the best

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vitamin and mineral company out there

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and discovered youngevity the youngevity

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to be satisfied I've lost 37

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in two months simply getting the

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vitamins and minerals I need and check

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supplement that's info on the power

947
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castes with gene and chris we're just

948
00:41:26,620 --> 00:41:25,160
reminding you it's not plug because

949
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:26,630
there's no way chris is gonna become

950
00:41:30,339 --> 00:41:28,250
rich from this book it just doesn't

951
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:30,349
happen with this kind of book stalking

952
00:41:34,990 --> 00:41:31,970
the heard from Adventures unlimited

953
00:41:37,060 --> 00:41:35,000
press chris is in the final stages of

954
00:41:38,980 --> 00:41:37,070
editing right now it should be out in a

955
00:41:41,410 --> 00:41:38,990
few weeks as soon as he puts everything

956
00:41:44,140 --> 00:41:41,420
together sent it over though send it to

957
00:41:46,030 --> 00:41:44,150
the printer and there you go man we're

958
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:46,040
talking shop this week on the power cast

959
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:47,450
with Gina and Chris so much to talk

960
00:41:50,260 --> 00:41:47,930
about

961
00:41:52,660 --> 00:41:50,270
I've been covering some of the topics

962
00:41:54,609 --> 00:41:52,670
that we've got over at the para cast

963
00:41:56,290 --> 00:41:54,619
community forums at forum doctor para

964
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:56,300
cast calm and we'll get to more of your

965
00:42:00,160 --> 00:41:58,010
questions in a moment I think some

966
00:42:02,140 --> 00:42:00,170
people asked like five questions you

967
00:42:04,420 --> 00:42:02,150
know which we probably can't answer but

968
00:42:07,329 --> 00:42:04,430
we'll try but there's another issue that

969
00:42:09,339 --> 00:42:07,339
some people have raised and I've been of

970
00:42:11,079 --> 00:42:09,349
two minds of this although I kind of

971
00:42:14,349 --> 00:42:11,089
like to see if we can do it and the

972
00:42:17,770 --> 00:42:14,359
question is what would a para cast UFO

973
00:42:19,660 --> 00:42:17,780
paranormal conference look like the

974
00:42:22,569 --> 00:42:19,670
question being can we do such a thing

975
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:22,579
can we have another one of these UFO

976
00:42:28,089 --> 00:42:25,760
conferences and if we sponsored it and

977
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:28,099
we brought in the best speakers on the

978
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,310
planet on UFOs and paranormal subjects

979
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:33,440
independent scientists and researchers

980
00:42:38,050 --> 00:42:36,800
could we make it work and that's the

981
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:38,060
question that we're trying to consider

982
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:39,920
right now because this is going to be an

983
00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:42,079
expensive undertaking you can't just

984
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:44,030
bring speakers from around the world

985
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:46,310
unless you send them a check and pay

986
00:42:51,250 --> 00:42:48,800
their travel expenses and handle the

987
00:42:52,809 --> 00:42:51,260
hotel bills it's going to take a lot of

988
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:52,819
work and I think we probably have to

989
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:54,530
have an outside committee work with us

990
00:42:58,270 --> 00:42:56,690
we're gonna do it right Chris yeah we

991
00:43:00,370 --> 00:42:58,280
definitely would need some help and and

992
00:43:02,770 --> 00:43:00,380
it would have to be really well thought

993
00:43:05,140 --> 00:43:02,780
out the whole conference paradigm I

994
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:05,150
think is really changing and it's

995
00:43:10,450 --> 00:43:08,090
becoming harder and harder for people

996
00:43:12,310 --> 00:43:10,460
who propose these conferences and and

997
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,320
try to start them up it's very difficult

998
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:14,240
to to get them off the ground so we're

999
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:15,760
really gonna have to do this

1000
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:19,610
in a very methodical well-planned way if

1001
00:43:22,990 --> 00:43:21,290
we're gonna attempt to pull it off I

1002
00:43:29,130 --> 00:43:23,000
think it's possible I think there's room

1003
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:29,140
for a more open less rigid conference

1004
00:43:34,170 --> 00:43:32,090
like the the para cast would put on and

1005
00:43:37,150 --> 00:43:34,180
you know I think we need to really

1006
00:43:40,210 --> 00:43:37,160
really look at it and get a team

1007
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:40,220
together to you know explore the

1008
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:42,170
possibilities and and obviously to do it

1009
00:43:46,590 --> 00:43:44,960
to do it correctly so it's a success now

1010
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:46,600
I should tell you we have Jeff Crouse

1011
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:49,760
been on the show he's a longtime member

1012
00:43:54,250 --> 00:43:51,410
of our forums and a listener he's one of

1013
00:43:57,070 --> 00:43:54,260
our forum moderators and he's in working

1014
00:43:59,580 --> 00:43:57,080
with us to put together the rudimentary

1015
00:44:02,950 --> 00:43:59,590
parts of a proposal get a lot of input

1016
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:02,960
but I'm gonna ask you listeners if you'd

1017
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:05,930
like to see a sponsor conference and

1018
00:44:10,780 --> 00:44:07,010
something like this would have to be

1019
00:44:12,910 --> 00:44:10,790
considered on annual basis okay probably

1020
00:44:15,970 --> 00:44:12,920
in the Phoenix area because that's close

1021
00:44:18,910 --> 00:44:15,980
to us if we're going to do this thing we

1022
00:44:22,570 --> 00:44:18,920
need input from everyone plusses and

1023
00:44:24,820 --> 00:44:22,580
minuses and ideas how to raise funding

1024
00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:24,830
like a Kickstarter campaign for example

1025
00:44:29,770 --> 00:44:27,310
to cover our costs whatever it would be

1026
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:29,780
contact us you could send us a tweet on

1027
00:44:35,500 --> 00:44:32,690
Twitter the power cast it's the power

1028
00:44:38,860 --> 00:44:35,510
cast on Twitter there's also a power

1029
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:38,870
cast fan club on Facebook or just drop

1030
00:44:43,630 --> 00:44:41,090
into our forums or write news at the

1031
00:44:47,230 --> 00:44:43,640
para cast com the question is would you

1032
00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:47,240
like to see the ultimate UFO paranormal

1033
00:44:53,530 --> 00:44:50,110
conference or whatever it's gonna be

1034
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,540
sponsored by the para cast if you'd like

1035
00:44:57,820 --> 00:44:55,520
to make suggestions maybe you're in the

1036
00:44:59,890 --> 00:44:57,830
conference business and you have some

1037
00:45:03,460 --> 00:44:59,900
input you can offer us maybe some advice

1038
00:45:05,890 --> 00:45:03,470
on how to raise capital for it some

1039
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,900
advice also I'm just running it because

1040
00:45:08,170 --> 00:45:07,520
I think a lot of the problems that you

1041
00:45:11,710 --> 00:45:08,180
have and exist

1042
00:45:14,890 --> 00:45:11,720
and conferences is the people who run it

1043
00:45:17,799 --> 00:45:14,900
maybe eager and enthusiastic and they

1044
00:45:19,450 --> 00:45:17,809
care about what they're doing but do

1045
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:19,460
they know how to run a conference I

1046
00:45:23,530 --> 00:45:21,530
can't say I do I think Chris and I would

1047
00:45:25,210 --> 00:45:23,540
be enthusiastic about it but we want to

1048
00:45:27,099 --> 00:45:25,220
bring in some experts we don't claim to

1049
00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:27,109
know everything I actually put on a

1050
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:29,150
conference once Jean you did I did also

1051
00:45:31,329 --> 00:45:30,290
I'll tell you about that in a moment

1052
00:45:35,530 --> 00:45:31,339
let's hear yours

1053
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:35,540
yeah back in the mid 90s when so many

1054
00:45:38,829 --> 00:45:37,130
people were interested in the work that

1055
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:38,839
I was doing this is right when the

1056
00:45:43,780 --> 00:45:40,970
internet was starting really starting to

1057
00:45:45,940 --> 00:45:43,790
gain some momentum I was asked if I

1058
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:45,950
would would actually put together a

1059
00:45:50,740 --> 00:45:48,890
group of speakers and feature them in

1060
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:50,750
Colorado in the San Luis Valley and I

1061
00:45:54,849 --> 00:45:53,089
did and it was well attended most of the

1062
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:54,859
people that came of course were locals

1063
00:45:59,260 --> 00:45:56,960
there had been a lot of media impressed

1064
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:59,270
about the sighting waves that were

1065
00:46:02,829 --> 00:46:01,280
occurring some of the strange events

1066
00:46:05,530 --> 00:46:02,839
that were being covered in the media so

1067
00:46:07,660 --> 00:46:05,540
there was a bit of a buzz locally and we

1068
00:46:09,790 --> 00:46:07,670
actually did it in two places we did it

1069
00:46:11,980 --> 00:46:09,800
one day down in Alamosa and the next day

1070
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:11,990
we did it up in Salida and we had a good

1071
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:13,520
turnout I mean I was able to cover all

1072
00:46:17,890 --> 00:46:15,650
my expenses at least I didn't lose any

1073
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:17,900
money I didn't make any money but but a

1074
00:46:23,710 --> 00:46:21,890
lot of people went away obviously with a

1075
00:46:26,620 --> 00:46:23,720
bit of an education about some of these

1076
00:46:28,780 --> 00:46:26,630
events and in phenomena and and also it

1077
00:46:33,420 --> 00:46:28,790
gave me a chance to really network with

1078
00:46:35,980 --> 00:46:33,430
locals and increase my my sources and my

1079
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:35,990
network of obscure Watchers and people

1080
00:46:41,980 --> 00:46:39,290
reporting in strange events so so it was

1081
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:41,990
I think moderately successful and I

1082
00:46:45,819 --> 00:46:43,730
breathed the big sigh of relief when I

1083
00:46:47,650 --> 00:46:45,829
when I realized that hey I was gonna

1084
00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:47,660
generate just enough money to go ahead

1085
00:46:51,970 --> 00:46:49,849
and pay the bills you know I flew in a

1086
00:46:54,579 --> 00:46:51,980
couple of folks and and put them up at

1087
00:46:57,130 --> 00:46:54,589
hotels and had to pay for the two spaces

1088
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:57,140
of course and at least I was able to do

1089
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:59,359
that and and I think a lot of people

1090
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:01,040
locally got a lot out of it so I'm

1091
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:03,170
really hoping that this idea of a pair

1092
00:47:07,210 --> 00:47:05,119
of cast conference is going to get legs

1093
00:47:08,890 --> 00:47:07,220
and and we could use a team of people

1094
00:47:10,990 --> 00:47:08,900
helping out and coming up with ideas and

1095
00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:11,000
brainstorming with us we did the same

1096
00:47:15,490 --> 00:47:13,849
thing back in the 1970s they had

1097
00:47:17,799 --> 00:47:15,500
something called the national UFO

1098
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:17,809
conference of course the permanent

1099
00:47:21,060 --> 00:47:20,690
chairman was the one the only Jim mostly

1100
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:21,070
whose know

1101
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:25,690
longer with us but I got the bid in 1975

1102
00:47:30,270 --> 00:47:28,000
I believe he ran the conference it was

1103
00:47:31,590 --> 00:47:30,280
in Valley Forge Pennsylvania we had

1104
00:47:32,850 --> 00:47:31,600
maybe a couple hundred people there

1105
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:32,860
which I think was fairly good at the

1106
00:47:38,940 --> 00:47:35,050
time didn't have a large budget but we

1107
00:47:41,940 --> 00:47:38,950
ended up losing $135 which wasn't so bad

1108
00:47:45,060 --> 00:47:41,950
you know not bad no of course that's

1109
00:47:47,220 --> 00:47:45,070
like $300 in today's dollars but at

1110
00:47:51,090 --> 00:47:47,230
least it was decent people had a lot of

1111
00:47:54,030 --> 00:47:51,100
fun we enjoyed it and I did vowed never

1112
00:47:55,770 --> 00:47:54,040
to doing it again this in the 1970s so

1113
00:47:59,340 --> 00:47:55,780
we're talking about a lot of years ago I

1114
00:48:01,200 --> 00:47:59,350
say I'll never do this again unless you

1115
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:01,210
know I have some business help for it

1116
00:48:06,450 --> 00:48:03,490
but now we're back into it again

1117
00:48:08,550 --> 00:48:06,460
so it was Never Say Never we'll have to

1118
00:48:10,770 --> 00:48:08,560
see how it works out and whether we'll

1119
00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:10,780
do this kind of thing I sort of think

1120
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:12,310
that it may happen

1121
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:15,250
that'd be great i mean i i'd really well

1122
00:48:20,850 --> 00:48:17,770
i'd enjoy putting together you know

1123
00:48:23,370 --> 00:48:20,860
speakers list of really really cool

1124
00:48:25,770 --> 00:48:23,380
folks that you know that aren't into

1125
00:48:28,260 --> 00:48:25,780
this to create cults of personality or

1126
00:48:31,140 --> 00:48:28,270
to promote some foregone conclusion or

1127
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:31,150
bang some agenda drum or you know

1128
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:32,890
there's so much of that in the field now

1129
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:34,960
and there's so many people that are you

1130
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:36,250
know have to come up with new and

1131
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:39,040
different headlines every six months to

1132
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:41,290
stay in the public eye i think there's a

1133
00:48:47,460 --> 00:48:44,530
lot of hard working people that that are

1134
00:48:49,230 --> 00:48:47,470
in the back just in the trenches doing

1135
00:48:51,930 --> 00:48:49,240
the work and not lusting after

1136
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:51,940
recognition Stan Gordon is one of my

1137
00:48:57,930 --> 00:48:54,370
all-time heroes this guy for 50-plus

1138
00:49:00,330 --> 00:48:57,940
years 60 years has been you know just

1139
00:49:03,540 --> 00:49:00,340
very methodically running around

1140
00:49:05,370 --> 00:49:03,550
Pennsylvania and and just investigating

1141
00:49:07,230 --> 00:49:05,380
some of the most mind-warping cases over

1142
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:07,240
the years starting with Kecksburg of

1143
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:10,210
course was his first real big case and

1144
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:12,370
people like that I think deserve more

1145
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,730
attention we also need to get I think

1146
00:49:19,170 --> 00:49:17,440
more attention on people that are really

1147
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:19,180
looking at this in a new and creative

1148
00:49:24,930 --> 00:49:22,720
way out-of-the-box thinkers and I think

1149
00:49:27,660 --> 00:49:24,940
there's there's a way to do this and

1150
00:49:29,340 --> 00:49:27,670
present this type of information in a

1151
00:49:32,010 --> 00:49:29,350
way that will be attractive to people if

1152
00:49:33,870 --> 00:49:32,020
it's marketed properly obviously so I'm

1153
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:33,880
looking forward to you know kicking

1154
00:49:36,750 --> 00:49:35,050
around some ideas and

1155
00:49:39,330 --> 00:49:36,760
developing this whole thing I will

1156
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:39,340
promise you two guests who will not be

1157
00:49:43,140 --> 00:49:39,760
there

1158
00:49:46,110 --> 00:49:43,150
we will not invite Steven Greer we will

1159
00:49:48,300 --> 00:49:46,120
not invite Linda Moulton Howe I promise

1160
00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:48,310
you they are not invited I'll say that

1161
00:49:53,250 --> 00:49:51,310
right now no I can't come just talk to

1162
00:49:55,170 --> 00:49:53,260
Linda a couple days ago I'm trying to

1163
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:55,180
get her to do an interview for the book

1164
00:50:00,480 --> 00:49:57,370
but it's it's not going well we're just

1165
00:50:02,460 --> 00:50:00,490
ships in the night well I wouldn't mind

1166
00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:02,470
having her on the show but you'd have to

1167
00:50:07,260 --> 00:50:05,110
answer some tough questions oh boy if

1168
00:50:09,630 --> 00:50:07,270
she does that mean she'll go on coast to

1169
00:50:11,610 --> 00:50:09,640
coast because it's softball questions

1170
00:50:14,670 --> 00:50:11,620
softball interviews she can just repeat

1171
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:14,680
her talking points and when George Noory

1172
00:50:20,660 --> 00:50:18,400
is awake he might even respond no you

1173
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:20,670
know someone wrote us not so long ago

1174
00:50:26,550 --> 00:50:23,770
saying why are we making personal

1175
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:26,560
attacks against coast to coast am well

1176
00:50:32,930 --> 00:50:28,330
we talked about the show in the sense of

1177
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:32,940
what it lacks which is journalistic cred

1178
00:50:39,390 --> 00:50:36,330
asking tough questions having a lazy

1179
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:39,400
host but that's that personal attack

1180
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:41,680
well it's just you know it's just an

1181
00:50:44,370 --> 00:50:42,160
opinion

1182
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:44,380
I think George Noory is a nice guy

1183
00:50:50,340 --> 00:50:48,010
that's what they sweet heart okay boys -

1184
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:50,350
he has a good singing voice yeah he's

1185
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:53,650
he's very talented he he was at some

1186
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:55,810
conference recently where he actually

1187
00:51:00,000 --> 00:50:58,450
got up there and started singing you

1188
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:00,010
know old standard songs I think his

1189
00:51:07,620 --> 00:51:02,410
parents were there or something and you

1190
00:51:09,870 --> 00:51:07,630
know years old now his parents yeah he's

1191
00:51:11,850 --> 00:51:09,880
a good singer I'm sure he's a nice guy

1192
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:11,860
you want to have a beer with him sit

1193
00:51:17,550 --> 00:51:15,010
down and talk but we criticized the show

1194
00:51:21,150 --> 00:51:17,560
because this show is lazy but the show

1195
00:51:22,590 --> 00:51:21,160
also exploits people that do not deserve

1196
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:22,600
that attention because they're not

1197
00:51:26,310 --> 00:51:23,440
helping anything

1198
00:51:28,650 --> 00:51:26,320
they're just entertainers now with Gene

1199
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:28,660
and Chris we're talking shop you're in

1200
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1201
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1221
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1222
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1224
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1225
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stating a central bank issuing the

1226
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public currency is a greater menace to

1227
00:52:35,980 --> 00:52:34,640
the liberties of the people than a

1228
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1229
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placing a free silver dollar in a book

1230
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1231
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1232
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to understand the system call 866 to 237

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1235
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1236
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entire body the nutrients it needs

1237
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did you know the u.s. government banned

1238
00:53:04,270 --> 00:53:02,330
the hemp plant from growing in the

1239
00:53:06,460 --> 00:53:04,280
United States and classified it as a

1240
00:53:08,050 --> 00:53:06,470
Schedule one drug to hide it behind the

1241
00:53:10,030 --> 00:53:08,060
marijuana plant people have been

1242
00:53:12,620 --> 00:53:10,040
confused about this plan for over 80

1243
00:53:15,740 --> 00:53:12,630
years and many still don't know

1244
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so now you know hip is not marijuana and

1245
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marijuana is not him they are different

1246
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varieties of the same species

1247
00:53:24,290 --> 00:53:22,320
hemp USA org wants the world to know

1248
00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:24,300
these basic facts and to help people

1249
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:26,460
understand that him protein powder is

1250
00:53:31,010 --> 00:53:28,530
the best kept health secret you need to

1251
00:53:33,350 --> 00:53:31,020
know about remember him protein powder

1252
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contains 53 percent protein he's

1253
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:36,180
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1254
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and is loaded with nutrients call eight

1255
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1256
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1257
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four three six seven and see what our

1258
00:53:56,420 --> 00:53:46,950
powders seeds and oil can do for you

1259
00:54:04,460 --> 00:54:00,120
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1260
00:54:14,130 --> 00:54:04,470
standard of paranormal radio and now

1261
00:54:15,809 --> 00:54:14,140
here's Jane Steinberg shoptalk on the

1262
00:54:17,789 --> 00:54:15,819
para cast we do this every so often

1263
00:54:21,809 --> 00:54:17,799
where we kind of sit back with all the

1264
00:54:23,249 --> 00:54:21,819
guests we've had and take stock see

1265
00:54:26,089 --> 00:54:23,259
what's going on see where we should go

1266
00:54:28,589 --> 00:54:26,099
from here so we talked briefly about

1267
00:54:31,529 --> 00:54:28,599
Roswell once again we talked briefly

1268
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:31,539
about the possibility of a power cast

1269
00:54:36,930 --> 00:54:35,410
UFO paranormal conference if it happens

1270
00:54:38,219 --> 00:54:36,940
if we can put it together maybe we could

1271
00:54:40,140 --> 00:54:38,229
do it next spring I don't know we may

1272
00:54:41,969 --> 00:54:40,150
not have enough time but that's always a

1273
00:54:44,130 --> 00:54:41,979
possibility certainly if it's going to

1274
00:54:45,690 --> 00:54:44,140
be in Arizona we don't want to be there

1275
00:54:48,359 --> 00:54:45,700
in the height of the summer when it's

1276
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:48,369
115 degrees in the shade so it would

1277
00:54:54,359 --> 00:54:51,130
have to be no later than late spring or

1278
00:54:57,749 --> 00:54:54,369
early fall that's another possibility

1279
00:55:00,539 --> 00:54:57,759
no so we'll see what happens see if we

1280
00:55:03,089 --> 00:55:00,549
get enough offers of help from our

1281
00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:03,099
listeners a sense of volunteering

1282
00:55:08,130 --> 00:55:05,049
sitting down helping us put together a

1283
00:55:09,809 --> 00:55:08,140
plan a battle plan and we'll see what

1284
00:55:11,969 --> 00:55:09,819
happens we'll see whether it's something

1285
00:55:14,670 --> 00:55:11,979
that we can do or not and there you go

1286
00:55:18,359 --> 00:55:14,680
we had a bunch of interesting questions

1287
00:55:20,370 --> 00:55:18,369
asked do and this is of course because

1288
00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:20,380
we announced the last minute that we're

1289
00:55:23,759 --> 00:55:21,849
going to do one of these shop Talk

1290
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:23,769
episodes we tend to kind of schedule

1291
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:26,319
them for last-minute just trying to make

1292
00:55:31,950 --> 00:55:28,690
sure that we break up just one guest

1293
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:31,960
after another with some commentary so we

1294
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:35,200
were asked I don't know 15 20 different

1295
00:55:40,469 --> 00:55:37,599
questions from listeners Lemm comments

1296
00:55:43,009 --> 00:55:40,479
we've answered one already but we've got

1297
00:55:47,309 --> 00:55:43,019
Chris you can go through this six

1298
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:47,319
questions from Jeff Crowell yep who's

1299
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:49,599
our newest moderator at forum dr. Peric

1300
00:55:54,089 --> 00:55:52,450
ascom and is also actively helping us

1301
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:54,099
develop this idea of a conference and

1302
00:55:58,920 --> 00:55:56,559
and as usual Jeff is asking some pretty

1303
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:58,930
cool questions the first one is with the

1304
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:01,119
attention deficit disorder of today's

1305
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:03,729
youth what would your strategy be for

1306
00:56:07,739 --> 00:56:05,410
drawing more interest into the field of

1307
00:56:08,940 --> 00:56:07,749
UFO research for teenagers and young

1308
00:56:12,690 --> 00:56:08,950
adults

1309
00:56:17,069 --> 00:56:12,700
oh boy that's a hard question you know I

1310
00:56:18,300 --> 00:56:17,079
got it I've got a pretty spoon all right

1311
00:56:20,310 --> 00:56:18,310
let's have your answer and then I'll

1312
00:56:22,740 --> 00:56:20,320
throw you some comments what do you

1313
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:22,750
think is the magic bullet there well I

1314
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:26,530
think promoting a an app a smartphone

1315
00:56:31,890 --> 00:56:28,960
app that allows you to become instrument

1316
00:56:34,050 --> 00:56:31,900
and instrumented researcher is one way

1317
00:56:35,819 --> 00:56:34,060
to do it and have some sort of training

1318
00:56:40,410 --> 00:56:35,829
seminar and some marketing to really

1319
00:56:43,170 --> 00:56:40,420
push the idea of of becoming a potential

1320
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:43,180
investigator armed with the type of

1321
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:46,210
equipment that would allow you to you

1322
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:48,130
know become instrumented you could have

1323
00:56:54,210 --> 00:56:50,890
a variety of in there are I think some

1324
00:56:56,970 --> 00:56:54,220
ghost-hunting apps for this but someone

1325
00:56:59,160 --> 00:56:56,980
to develop something that that uses the

1326
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:59,170
technology that the kids and younger

1327
00:57:02,910 --> 00:57:01,119
people are more familiar with and

1328
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:02,920
comfortable with if you could somehow

1329
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:05,490
incorporate that that built-in interest

1330
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:09,250
into some sort of application I think

1331
00:57:12,750 --> 00:57:10,720
that that would really go a long way

1332
00:57:15,180 --> 00:57:12,760
that's one one possible answer you know

1333
00:57:18,359 --> 00:57:15,190
there are UFO applications available

1334
00:57:18,930 --> 00:57:18,369
from the App Store and also the Google

1335
00:57:22,250 --> 00:57:18,940
Play Store

1336
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:22,260
there are applications there that

1337
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:26,050
supposedly allow you to either play a

1338
00:57:32,250 --> 00:57:29,170
game or otherwise get involved in UFO

1339
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:32,260
research I can't say whether this is the

1340
00:57:35,130 --> 00:57:33,760
sort of thing that will help you there's

1341
00:57:37,770 --> 00:57:35,140
for example something called UFO

1342
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:37,780
sightings I'm looking at right now maybe

1343
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:39,520
I'll install it as we go along to see

1344
00:57:45,390 --> 00:57:42,160
what it's about and this is where you're

1345
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:45,400
able to explore in fact you hear me

1346
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:47,680
typing on right now you see I'm typing

1347
00:57:51,569 --> 00:57:49,359
on it right now we're gonna download

1348
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:51,579
this thing and let's just see if this is

1349
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:53,770
anything that would be worth it there

1350
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:56,290
are applications already I know there

1351
00:58:00,839 --> 00:57:58,240
was one that keeps up to date kind of

1352
00:58:03,150 --> 00:58:00,849
like a database of sightings that was

1353
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:03,160
available on Google Play on the Android

1354
00:58:08,130 --> 00:58:06,160
platform so it's downloading now we'll

1355
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:08,140
see it's a free app it's from a company

1356
00:58:11,849 --> 00:58:08,650
called

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00:58:14,550 --> 00:58:11,859
object graph and I'm going to open it

1358
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:14,560
that was pretty fast wasn't it well it

1359
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:17,200
looks like it's animal it's designed to

1360
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:19,839
analyze existing photos I guess it says

1361
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:22,450
a select existing picture and

1362
00:58:26,700 --> 00:58:24,490
I guess it's what's going to do is look

1363
00:58:28,650 --> 00:58:26,710
at your own photos and the only photo

1364
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:28,660
stream I have shows my dog so I don't

1365
00:58:33,539 --> 00:58:31,089
think my dog makes a good UFO photo so

1366
00:58:35,309 --> 00:58:33,549
that app by the way is useless so there

1367
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:35,319
you go and then there's another one

1368
00:58:42,180 --> 00:58:38,290
called 3d UFO light which i think is a

1369
00:58:44,190 --> 00:58:42,190
game so there are UFO things here the

1370
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:44,200
question is you're going to Apple

1371
00:58:53,579 --> 00:58:49,599
there's 1163 apps that have UFO in the

1372
00:58:55,530 --> 00:58:53,589
title and some late to UFOs wow you hear

1373
00:58:58,980 --> 00:58:55,540
that so you were saying let's have an

1374
00:59:01,319 --> 00:58:58,990
app is there an app for that most of it

1375
00:59:04,410 --> 00:59:01,329
those games yeah and the question would

1376
00:59:08,190 --> 00:59:04,420
be then how do we put together something

1377
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:08,200
that actually helps people keep track of

1378
00:59:12,210 --> 00:59:10,690
the real mystery and certainly something

1379
00:59:14,609 --> 00:59:12,220
like this would appeal to the young

1380
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:14,619
people there's also something called UFO

1381
00:59:20,069 --> 00:59:16,569
magazine I hope it's not that UFO

1382
00:59:22,020 --> 00:59:20,079
magazine so we'll have to see it's gonna

1383
00:59:24,180 --> 00:59:22,030
scan my fingerprint right now to

1384
00:59:25,230 --> 00:59:24,190
download the same thing this is the one

1385
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:25,240
with the fingerprint scanner

1386
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:28,210
so before downloads the free app does

1387
00:59:31,170 --> 00:59:29,890
mice fingerprint so I take my

1388
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:31,180
fingerprint and stick it on the home

1389
00:59:36,420 --> 00:59:34,240
button and reads it it knows everything

1390
00:59:37,799 --> 00:59:36,430
about me but doesn't go to et by the way

1391
00:59:40,140 --> 00:59:37,809
don't we just tell you before we get too

1392
00:59:42,660 --> 00:59:40,150
paranoid about this the fingerprint

1393
00:59:45,690 --> 00:59:42,670
sensor touch ID it's called for the

1394
00:59:47,970 --> 00:59:45,700
iPhone 5s it stores your fingerprint in

1395
00:59:49,859 --> 00:59:47,980
the processor chip on the phone itself

1396
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:49,869
it's not going to Apple it's not going

1397
00:59:54,420 --> 00:59:52,000
to the NSA I don't think that you know

1398
00:59:56,940 --> 00:59:54,430
of that I know about okay so I'm gonna

1399
01:00:00,359 --> 00:59:56,950
open it now and let's see that UFO

1400
01:00:03,180 --> 01:00:00,369
magazine or what I don't know it says

1401
01:00:06,299 --> 01:00:03,190
every issue this is maybe the British

1402
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:06,309
UFO magazine um Graham birds'll yeah

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01:00:12,020 --> 01:00:09,250
let's see let's download one see ok I'm

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01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:12,030
downloading right now for January 2013

1405
01:00:17,849 --> 01:00:15,490
yeah this is not the one that bill burns

1406
01:00:20,579 --> 01:00:17,859
is involved in this is the British one

1407
01:00:23,490 --> 01:00:20,589
the point being here is if someone's

1408
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:23,500
interested in UFOs and they're young and

1409
01:00:28,260 --> 01:00:25,359
they've got their iPhone and the iPhones

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01:00:31,140 --> 01:00:28,270
and iPads are very very popular among

1411
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:31,150
young people more so than Android phones

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01:00:35,620 --> 01:00:33,490
by the way that's something which I

1413
01:00:38,530 --> 01:00:35,630
don't think is generally realised

1414
01:00:40,750 --> 01:00:38,540
but we already have this material here

1415
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:40,760
but I've young people looking at that

1416
01:00:46,690 --> 01:00:43,610
material and deciding what to do with it

1417
01:00:49,870 --> 01:00:46,700
would we be better off doing more on

1418
01:00:51,820 --> 01:00:49,880
Facebook and Twitter for example yeah

1419
01:00:55,300 --> 01:00:51,830
yeah well obviously that would that

1420
01:00:57,850 --> 01:00:55,310
would be you know the next logical you

1421
01:00:59,830 --> 01:00:57,860
know possibility to get more young

1422
01:01:02,590 --> 01:00:59,840
people interested in the subject I I

1423
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:02,600
think the best thing to you know to

1424
01:01:08,350 --> 01:01:04,970
interest people is a sighting wave that

1425
01:01:09,580 --> 01:01:08,360
is covered by by you know local regional

1426
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and national and even international

1427
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press as long as we can keep the little

1428
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green men jokes and whistling the

1429
01:01:19,630 --> 01:01:17,930
Twilight theme out of the coverage I

1430
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think if it's covered in a

1431
01:01:24,820 --> 01:01:21,830
straightforward sort of newsworthy way

1432
01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:24,830
that that alone will increase visibility

1433
01:01:34,270 --> 01:01:28,400
increase interest and and I think pique

1434
01:01:36,340 --> 01:01:34,280
the curiosity of younger folks okay that

1435
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:36,350
works for me well there's another

1436
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:39,050
question Jean this is one sure you for

1437
01:01:45,250 --> 01:01:42,010
me nobody asked me any questions oh yeah

1438
01:01:47,230 --> 01:01:45,260
most compelling paranormal case UFO or

1439
01:01:48,910 --> 01:01:47,240
otherwise within the last 10 years and

1440
01:01:50,650 --> 01:01:48,920
why do you think that case has not been

1441
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:50,660
given as much attention as it would have

1442
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:53,200
in the past 10 years

1443
01:01:58,900 --> 01:01:55,930
you mean like Stephenville Texas

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01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:58,910
Stephenville owed the O'Hare Airport

1445
01:02:05,470 --> 01:02:01,520
okay so there's been a bunch of them oh

1446
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:05,480
yeah I don't think they get the play of

1447
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:07,250
the older cases but it doesn't mean

1448
01:02:12,370 --> 01:02:10,400
they're less compelling I agree so I

1449
01:02:14,620 --> 01:02:12,380
think we're in agreement let's keep it

1450
01:02:16,660 --> 01:02:14,630
at those two for now okay Stephenville

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was in just one case it was a number of

1452
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cases yeah it was a series of of

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sighting events correct I'm bound our

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para cast VIP or para cast Plus or that

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type of idea we were kicking around a

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bit on the forum about coming up with

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some sort of bonus version of the para

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cast that there would be a subscription

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type thing that would would give you

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added features that we don't normally

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provide now where are we standing on

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that gene okay well I was looking for

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ideas I posted something in our forum

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formed up our cast calm as to what a

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power cast pro or Plus should be like

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what kind of features can we offer now

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some people are saying hey what about an

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ant free version of the show but the

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network won't let us do that so we can't

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now maybe they'll change their minds but

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right now GCN says that if you

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distribute the show it has to be with

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that's what the network says so that's

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the one thing we can't do but let's look

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at the stuff that we can do number one

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maybe offering a custom channel on

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YouTube can we do a private channel at

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YouTube we're only members yo or aloud

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okay that might be a possibility and

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exploring whether we can have a VIP Pro

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that we offer so as Chris says maybe we

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can do a custom YouTube channel with

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special interviews both audio and video

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I don't do the video I'll be behind the

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camera and Chris of course he has this

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image with the hat and the braids and

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the hair whatever so he can get up there

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and be a public personality I'll be

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behind the scenes I'll be the invisible

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voice okay alright that's a good idea

1572
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you know put together special

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productions video audio productions that

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regular listeners cannot get unless they

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subscribe that's one thing another thing

1576
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would be of course special chat rooms

1577
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where we all get together and talk about

1578
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the show or things like that an

1579
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interactive chat about you okay special

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forms now we do have a mechanism to do

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that the forum software we use is called

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Zen for oh that's XE and fo ro comm if

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you want to check it out and they've got

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something called a resource manager

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where you can set up a custom

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subscription or pay service we have that

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installed already although people who

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visit our forums don't know it but we

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need not just being able to produce the

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content but we need a web developer to

1591
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help us integrate something like that so

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if one of our listeners who has web

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experience if you want to volunteer

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you'll get a free membership with it

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01:09:48,519 --> 01:09:45,920
okay maybe I'll get you a t-shirt or

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something or a cup or a hat but we'll

1597
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work out some deal with you and you

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helped us develop the backend

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infrastructure so we can build this

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power cast Pro and once we set it up

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probably as a subscription basis monthly

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or annually we'll set the rates

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something not too expensive because I

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know that people don't have a lot of

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disposable income like they did before

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in these days so we don't want to make

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it too expensive a few dollars a month

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less than 50 dollars a year or something

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like that and we'll work into delivering

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all this interesting extra content maybe

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have a special discussion every week

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after a show to flesh things out and

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01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:28,670
sometimes guests will join us special

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guests who won't be on the power cast

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01:10:37,570 --> 01:10:34,880
directly but would be willing to join us

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01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:37,580
in this special proposal Chris you have

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01:10:41,980 --> 01:10:39,890
some ideas well I think all those are

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01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:41,990
real good ideas and and I think we

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01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:44,290
should open this up again to our

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01:10:49,390 --> 01:10:46,370
listening audience and and for the

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01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:49,400
people that participate out or forums

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01:10:53,230 --> 01:10:51,770
and and let's let's start to narrow it

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01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:53,240
down Jean I think all these are good

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01:10:59,290 --> 01:10:56,690
ideas the idea possibly of a of a news

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01:11:01,870 --> 01:10:59,300
roundup every week you know a quick 15

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01:11:05,500 --> 01:11:01,880
minute roundup of some of the news in

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01:11:09,670 --> 01:11:05,510
the world of the paranormal UFOs and and

1628
01:11:11,620 --> 01:11:09,680
the like I write a column monthly about

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01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:11,630
every two months called the crypto

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01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:13,280
corner update for the world explorers

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01:11:19,480 --> 01:11:15,770
magazine so I'm constantly combing

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01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:19,490
through and and saving links to articles

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01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:22,490
and and stuff and I I do you know I do

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01:11:26,500 --> 01:11:24,560
I'm pretty diligent about it and I I

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01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:26,510
think I'd be able to pull that off and

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01:11:31,140 --> 01:11:28,880
do a little webcast every week that

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01:11:34,570 --> 01:11:31,150
would be another idea kind of an update

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01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:34,580
there's lots of ideas I think I think

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01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:37,570
special interviews you know having

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01:11:44,410 --> 01:11:41,530
possibly some field interviews going out

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01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:44,420
posting some investigative footage from

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01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:46,880
maybe a network of investigators that we

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01:11:51,820 --> 01:11:49,280
we can get a relationship established

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01:11:55,170 --> 01:11:51,830
with and have them provide us with some

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01:11:58,930 --> 01:11:55,180
with some field out in the field sort of

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01:12:01,060 --> 01:11:58,940
webcast type things or something on you

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01:12:03,490 --> 01:12:01,070
know that's saved and then rebroadcast

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01:12:05,950 --> 01:12:03,500
later so these were all good ideas let's

1649
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:05,960
hear your ideas folks and shoot them off

1650
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:08,560
to us at forum dr. Perik a stomp comm

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01:12:14,710 --> 01:12:12,170
info at the para cast comm is a good way

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01:12:16,870 --> 01:12:14,720
to email us and how about another

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01:12:18,580 --> 01:12:16,880
question here gene here's one for you

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01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:18,590
for me let me just tell you one more

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01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:20,290
thing before we go to the next question

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01:12:27,700 --> 01:12:24,050
again we do need help with the web

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design back-end to integrate what they

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call the resource manager of our forum

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software to set this up so that when we

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have an open it's easy for people to

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subscribe it's not going to be like the

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healthcare exchange where it doesn't

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work has to be something it's simple you

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sign up as a member of the forum and

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with a few clicks you could subscribe

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and there you go let's go for that other

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01:12:55,810 --> 01:12:53,810
question who are your top five UFO

1668
01:12:58,090 --> 01:12:55,820
researches active in the field today and

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01:12:59,260 --> 01:12:58,100
why are they on your top five list Chris

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01:13:01,510 --> 01:12:59,270
I'll have yours first

1671
01:13:03,670 --> 01:13:01,520
well that's a tough one there are quite

1672
01:13:05,470 --> 01:13:03,680
a number of folks out there that that

1673
01:13:08,110 --> 01:13:05,480
should be on a list I would be

1674
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:08,120
hard-pressed to to boil it down to two

1675
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:11,600
five and you know again I mentioned Stan

1676
01:13:17,770 --> 01:13:14,570
Gordon he's always been a real hero of

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01:13:21,190 --> 01:13:17,780
mine I really think he does exceptional

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01:13:23,020 --> 01:13:21,200
work my mentor and and dear friend David

1679
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:23,030
Perkins who I'm still trying to get him

1680
01:13:28,810 --> 01:13:25,520
to come on the show he's all will always

1681
01:13:32,620 --> 01:13:28,820
be in my top five list I think Nick is

1682
01:13:35,260 --> 01:13:32,630
is just a prolific smart good writer

1683
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:35,270
excellent researcher I think he should

1684
01:13:40,060 --> 01:13:37,130
be up there I think the work that John

1685
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,070
Greenwald has done at the black vault is

1686
01:13:45,490 --> 01:13:42,400
extremely important and in just an

1687
01:13:47,890 --> 01:13:45,500
incredible resource but we have Norris

1688
01:13:50,830 --> 01:13:47,900
politics his politics are little wacky

1689
01:13:53,290 --> 01:13:50,840
let's go be well yeah we're talking UFO

1690
01:13:54,850 --> 01:13:53,300
researchers here and having you know

1691
01:13:57,010 --> 01:13:54,860
half a million pages of government

1692
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:57,020
documents is is that's I mean he got

1693
01:14:01,750 --> 01:13:58,880
started when he was I think 15 or

1694
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:01,760
something 14 in this field and now he's

1695
01:14:07,510 --> 01:14:04,730
a grizzled veteran Micah Hanks I really

1696
01:14:09,940 --> 01:14:07,520
admire his forward creative thinking you

1697
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:09,950
know he's an extremely brilliant smart

1698
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:13,250
and just always his thinking outside of

1699
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:15,770
the box I really admire that you know I

1700
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:18,170
could go down the line there you know

1701
01:14:21,970 --> 01:14:19,730
there's there's quite a number of folks

1702
01:14:25,060 --> 01:14:21,980
out there that deserve mention I think

1703
01:14:27,100 --> 01:14:25,070
Jeff Willis down in Phoenix as a

1704
01:14:28,940 --> 01:14:27,110
videographer he's caught some amazing

1705
01:14:31,010 --> 01:14:28,950
stuff down there that

1706
01:14:32,180 --> 01:14:31,020
he really hasn't tried to create some

1707
01:14:34,670 --> 01:14:32,190
sort of cult of personality around

1708
01:14:36,350 --> 01:14:34,680
himself in his just quietly doing the

1709
01:14:38,150 --> 01:14:36,360
work and has quite a network of folks

1710
01:14:39,620 --> 01:14:38,160
that are that are alerting him when

1711
01:14:42,140 --> 01:14:39,630
things are going on in the skies over

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01:14:44,060 --> 01:14:42,150
your neck of the woods there gene so I

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01:14:45,740 --> 01:14:44,070
don't know if that's five but there's

1714
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:45,750
just off the top of my head some folks

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01:14:50,780 --> 01:14:48,330
that I I admire and I really look

1716
01:14:52,670 --> 01:14:50,790
forward to to what they have to say and

1717
01:14:54,260 --> 01:14:52,680
the types of work that they're doing I'm

1718
01:14:56,510 --> 01:14:54,270
always interested in what they're up to

1719
01:14:59,300 --> 01:14:56,520
and of course we can't forget people

1720
01:15:02,060 --> 01:14:59,310
like Jerome Clark a veteran researcher

1721
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:02,070
and historian who has kept tabs on the

1722
01:15:05,900 --> 01:15:03,930
real things in the UFO field

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01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:05,910
I think Richard Dolan is doing some

1724
01:15:11,450 --> 01:15:08,810
interesting work in exploring the

1725
01:15:13,820 --> 01:15:11,460
national security aspects of the UFO

1726
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:13,830
enigma and we really can't ignore him

1727
01:15:19,250 --> 01:15:16,650
and to look at Leslie Kane because she's

1728
01:15:22,010 --> 01:15:19,260
done things to bring UFOs out of the

1729
01:15:24,620 --> 01:15:22,020
closet and make it acceptable for the

1730
01:15:27,260 --> 01:15:24,630
public at large and some people say well

1731
01:15:30,440 --> 01:15:27,270
maybe she should commit herself to more

1732
01:15:33,860 --> 01:15:30,450
specific belief systems in UFOs but what

1733
01:15:36,140 --> 01:15:33,870
she's doing is getting military people

1734
01:15:39,140 --> 01:15:36,150
scientists people who would not embrace

1735
01:15:41,780 --> 01:15:39,150
UFO research involved and that's not an

1736
01:15:43,010 --> 01:15:41,790
easy thing to do well and the way she's

1737
01:15:44,900 --> 01:15:43,020
going about it and I think is

1738
01:15:48,590 --> 01:15:44,910
commendable she's had one of the very

1739
01:15:50,570 --> 01:15:48,600
very few best-selling books about UFOs

1740
01:15:52,850 --> 01:15:50,580
and that counts for an awful lot because

1741
01:15:55,250 --> 01:15:52,860
not all best-selling books are good

1742
01:15:57,950 --> 01:15:55,260
books and she's one of the few who has

1743
01:16:01,280 --> 01:15:57,960
had a book out that is really compelling

1744
01:16:03,980 --> 01:16:01,290
and it paints a compelling case also of

1745
01:16:06,820 --> 01:16:03,990
something strange going on that we need

1746
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to understand and she wants to attract

1747
01:16:12,530 --> 01:16:10,080
mainstream science my and she's working

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01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:12,540
really hard and I think she has that I

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know years ago when we did the National

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UFO conference we'd give on a warrant of

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the UFO investigator of the year so if

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we're making a list that would be

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something to consider for our para cast

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you are tuned into the para cast let me

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here that George Noory answering your

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questions as we do some shop Talk on the

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us about our favorite UFO investigators

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and Chris and I popped a list of some

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people doing really good work I think

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there are a lot of people around the

1869
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:21,179
world doing things that are really solid

1870
01:21:27,500 --> 01:21:25,050
aj gevaerd in brazil you know is at the

1871
01:21:29,659 --> 01:21:27,510
forefront of UFO investigation in south

1872
01:21:32,330 --> 01:21:29,669
america every time we have him on the

1873
01:21:35,449 --> 01:21:32,340
show it's really enjoyable he has so

1874
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:35,459
much information to offer no and Antonio

1875
01:21:39,379 --> 01:21:37,199
who næss is another one that's just an

1876
01:21:41,509 --> 01:21:39,389
unsung hero that's a walking

1877
01:21:44,290 --> 01:21:41,519
encyclopedia on this subject and is

1878
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:44,300
constantly coming up with interesting

1879
01:21:48,979 --> 01:21:47,130
information revisiting and reanalyzing

1880
01:21:51,679 --> 01:21:48,989
cases that didn't get the kind of

1881
01:21:54,319 --> 01:21:51,689
notoriety that they possibly deserve for

1882
01:21:56,089 --> 01:21:54,329
instance there's quite a number of folks

1883
01:21:58,580 --> 01:21:56,099
you mentioned Richard Dolan of course

1884
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:58,590
rosemary Kiley I I went on an

1885
01:22:02,629 --> 01:22:00,719
investigation trip with her up to the

1886
01:22:04,939 --> 01:22:02,639
San Luis Valley and I was really

1887
01:22:08,089 --> 01:22:04,949
impressed with this woman's ability to

1888
01:22:10,580 --> 01:22:08,099
work with with experiencers how she

1889
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:10,590
handled herself on the two

1890
01:22:16,069 --> 01:22:13,679
investigations that we co worked on I

1891
01:22:18,129 --> 01:22:16,079
was very impressed I learned some some

1892
01:22:20,659 --> 01:22:18,139
pretty valuable things from her

1893
01:22:22,939 --> 01:22:20,669
investigative techniques you know we

1894
01:22:25,279 --> 01:22:22,949
have it obviously we have a number of

1895
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:25,289
people we're gonna have Brad Steiger on

1896
01:22:31,100 --> 01:22:28,320
of course Brad is is a pillar in this in

1897
01:22:34,759 --> 01:22:31,110
this whole paranormal field and in Rome

1898
01:22:36,859 --> 01:22:34,769
and you know I I think for all his I

1899
01:22:39,409 --> 01:22:36,869
don't know just controversy or

1900
01:22:42,379 --> 01:22:39,419
surrounding some of his work and Anthony

1901
01:22:44,899 --> 01:22:42,389
Bruegel yeah is an amazing digger in

1902
01:22:49,129 --> 01:22:44,909
terms of coming up with with you know

1903
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:49,139
interesting papers files correspondences

1904
01:22:54,890 --> 01:22:52,530
these sorts of things you you you have

1905
01:22:57,259 --> 01:22:54,900
to you know give him a nod because he is

1906
01:22:59,989 --> 01:22:57,269
a very good digger and he can come up

1907
01:23:02,779 --> 01:22:59,999
with some some very controversial and

1908
01:23:04,580 --> 01:23:02,789
amazing stuff obviously well it's a car

1909
01:23:06,290 --> 01:23:04,590
New Mexico of course we kind of think

1910
01:23:08,689 --> 01:23:06,300
that maybe some of the evidence he

1911
01:23:11,899 --> 01:23:08,699
brought forth maybe a bit wacky but the

1912
01:23:14,509 --> 01:23:11,909
fact that he brought it up and makes

1913
01:23:15,649 --> 01:23:14,519
something that we have to discuss more

1914
01:23:17,870 --> 01:23:15,659
important

1915
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:17,880
right at the end of the day saying it's

1916
01:23:24,050 --> 01:23:21,449
a hoax may not prove it is and right now

1917
01:23:25,879 --> 01:23:24,060
it doesn't seem to be but we have to ask

1918
01:23:27,620 --> 01:23:25,889
those questions we need people who go in

1919
01:23:29,930 --> 01:23:27,630
there if you want to say someone's doing

1920
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:29,940
some really good work on The Skeptical

1921
01:23:35,660 --> 01:23:31,920
side Lance Moody has done some really

1922
01:23:38,510 --> 01:23:35,670
good whirl and I think Lance is someone

1923
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:38,520
who comes across you know a little bit

1924
01:23:42,979 --> 01:23:41,250
sarcastic and such in the forms but when

1925
01:23:45,379 --> 01:23:42,989
you talk to him he's a really nice guy

1926
01:23:48,129 --> 01:23:45,389
he's really sincere about what he does

1927
01:23:51,020 --> 01:23:48,139
and he was the one who broke open the

1928
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:51,030
evidence about Phillip and Brock knowing

1929
01:23:55,399 --> 01:23:52,800
about the fact that his background was a

1930
01:23:56,149 --> 01:23:55,409
fake yeah of course we did we mention

1931
01:23:59,629 --> 01:23:56,159
Don Ecker

1932
01:24:03,590 --> 01:23:59,639
yeah Don again has been a real trooper

1933
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:03,600
for going on 30 40 years now of course

1934
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:05,760
the the top of my list would have to be

1935
01:24:11,330 --> 01:24:08,489
raised Stanford and his his hard hard

1936
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:11,340
data scientific analytical work that

1937
01:24:14,300 --> 01:24:12,690
he's doing when he comes out with this

1938
01:24:16,399 --> 01:24:14,310
stuff everything is going to change and

1939
01:24:19,610 --> 01:24:16,409
I I don't want to get embroiled in

1940
01:24:21,709 --> 01:24:19,620
another controversy about my impressions

1941
01:24:24,379 --> 01:24:21,719
and feelings about Ray but I think that

1942
01:24:26,180 --> 01:24:24,389
right now he is doing the most important

1943
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:26,190
work in the field and when he does

1944
01:24:31,070 --> 01:24:29,010
finally come out with this work I will

1945
01:24:33,530 --> 01:24:31,080
have the last laugh let's put it that

1946
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:33,540
way you've seen some of it we know that

1947
01:24:40,100 --> 01:24:36,650
James Fox the UFO documentary

1948
01:24:43,010 --> 01:24:40,110
has seen a lot of it so there it's real

1949
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:43,020
it's not a fake thing no no this is the

1950
01:24:47,570 --> 01:24:45,330
real deal and some scientists who have

1951
01:24:50,540 --> 01:24:47,580
recently gone and seen his work are just

1952
01:24:53,149 --> 01:24:50,550
totally amazed they one scientist even

1953
01:24:56,090 --> 01:24:53,159
used the Nobel word around him and and

1954
01:24:57,500 --> 01:24:56,100
said if this is really presented

1955
01:25:00,709 --> 01:24:57,510
properly to the scientific community

1956
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:00,719
it's going to burst the whole UFO field

1957
01:25:07,700 --> 01:25:04,560
wide open in terms of our actual ability

1958
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:07,710
to ascertain technology and and in

1959
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:09,570
scientific principles that are operative

1960
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:12,570
with these objects and and I'll just

1961
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:14,250
leave it at that I don't want to set

1962
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:17,280
myself up more grief on the on the

1963
01:25:24,169 --> 01:25:21,570
forums I'm just as excited and and just

1964
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:24,179
frustrated about his work coming out

1965
01:25:29,450 --> 01:25:26,730
finally as probably more so than

1966
01:25:31,850 --> 01:25:29,460
everybody else and it's just the

1967
01:25:35,660 --> 01:25:31,860
nobody is doing anything that even is in

1968
01:25:38,060 --> 01:25:35,670
the same ballpark as Rey and I'll just

1969
01:25:39,650 --> 01:25:38,070
I'll just keep saying it keep saying it

1970
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:39,660
and people will eventually accept it

1971
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:41,760
they'll have to well he's got to come

1972
01:25:43,940 --> 01:25:42,330
out with it

1973
01:25:46,010 --> 01:25:43,950
he can't be sitting on on this

1974
01:25:47,630 --> 01:25:46,020
information much longer he's going to

1975
01:25:50,780 --> 01:25:47,640
present it to the scientific community

1976
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:50,790
and and then all bets are off after that

1977
01:25:54,830 --> 01:25:52,410
it's really gonna blow this field wide

1978
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:54,840
open well gene here's another question

1979
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:56,850
we're running down Jeff Crouse lists

1980
01:26:00,980 --> 01:25:58,800
here what are the top three issues or

1981
01:26:02,750 --> 01:26:00,990
problems with current UFO research or

1982
01:26:04,340 --> 01:26:02,760
paranormal research for that matter and

1983
01:26:06,250 --> 01:26:04,350
what do you think is the best solution

1984
01:26:10,100 --> 01:26:06,260
to address these problems or solutions

1985
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:10,110
you mean other than telling people to

1986
01:26:16,130 --> 01:26:13,050
put their egos in the closet and shut

1987
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:16,140
the door with a deadbolt lock that helps

1988
01:26:21,230 --> 01:26:18,210
you know that's that's that's probably a

1989
01:26:24,140 --> 01:26:21,240
good place to start but also never cease

1990
01:26:26,300 --> 01:26:24,150
to be open-minded I think once people

1991
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:26,310
are involved in researching

1992
01:26:30,500 --> 01:26:29,010
investigating these subjects at a

1993
01:26:31,910 --> 01:26:30,510
certain point they start to make up

1994
01:26:33,530 --> 01:26:31,920
their minds and then they get the

1995
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:33,540
blinders on and they run around looking

1996
01:26:37,340 --> 01:26:35,280
for data to support their foregone

1997
01:26:39,410 --> 01:26:37,350
conclusions I think that this does the

1998
01:26:41,810 --> 01:26:39,420
field a disservice I think we should

1999
01:26:45,170 --> 01:26:41,820
always be open-minded we should always

2000
01:26:46,850 --> 01:26:45,180
be willing to be presented data that

2001
01:26:49,010 --> 01:26:46,860
will change our minds that will

2002
01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:49,020
influence our thinking this is something

2003
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:50,490
we find on the forums all the time

2004
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:52,320
people having these endless arguments

2005
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:53,730
knowing that the other person is never

2006
01:26:59,090 --> 01:26:56,250
going to entertain their particular

2007
01:27:01,760 --> 01:26:59,100
point of view for whatever reason and I

2008
01:27:04,580 --> 01:27:01,770
think it's really important to always

2009
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:04,590
keep an open mind to somehow weed out

2010
01:27:10,910 --> 01:27:08,010
these these johnny-come-lately you know

2011
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:10,920
the twins but the brothers that should

2012
01:27:15,230 --> 01:27:12,960
not be mentioned and some of these

2013
01:27:17,570 --> 01:27:15,240
people that are showing up and with all

2014
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:17,580
these wild you know outrageous claims

2015
01:27:22,010 --> 01:27:20,010
and and you know they're maybe they have

2016
01:27:24,350 --> 01:27:22,020
a little bit of PR savvy and they're

2017
01:27:27,020 --> 01:27:24,360
able to get you know some notoriety I

2018
01:27:28,940 --> 01:27:27,030
think that when it comes to the kids and

2019
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:28,950
trying to get young people interested if

2020
01:27:31,940 --> 01:27:30,690
they have to wade through too much of

2021
01:27:34,100 --> 01:27:31,950
this stuff and they don't have the

2022
01:27:36,220 --> 01:27:34,110
skillset to do so this is gonna make it

2023
01:27:38,090 --> 01:27:36,230
very difficult for them to really

2024
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:38,100
differentiate between the wheat and the

2025
01:27:42,050 --> 01:27:39,930
chaff and the signal and the noise so

2026
01:27:43,010 --> 01:27:42,060
those are my comments on that how about

2027
01:27:44,990 --> 01:27:43,020
you gene

2028
01:27:46,910 --> 01:27:45,000
obviously the egos obviously people who

2029
01:27:49,850 --> 01:27:46,920
are wedded to a particular belief I

2030
01:27:52,070 --> 01:27:49,860
think a few of the prominent researchers

2031
01:27:54,890 --> 01:27:52,080
we don't have to name them but we might

2032
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:54,900
as well I think Stanton Friedman has

2033
01:27:59,840 --> 01:27:56,610
done some really good work but he's also

2034
01:28:02,870 --> 01:27:59,850
wedded to certain point certain talking

2035
01:28:05,390 --> 01:28:02,880
points that he's been repeating for many

2036
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:05,400
many years and as much as you show him

2037
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:07,170
that those talking points may not be

2038
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:10,290
valid such as the mj-12 documents he'll

2039
01:28:15,740 --> 01:28:12,570
double down and say they are and I think

2040
01:28:17,300 --> 01:28:15,750
that hurts things I think it doesn't

2041
01:28:20,330 --> 01:28:17,310
matter how long you've been doing this

2042
01:28:23,390 --> 01:28:20,340
you have to be willing to accept the

2043
01:28:26,780 --> 01:28:23,400
fact that anything you say about the

2044
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:26,790
subject may be wrong and that's really

2045
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:29,130
hard if you spent 40 years lecturing on

2046
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:30,930
something and using it as your linchpin

2047
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:33,330
so that's another problem again it goes

2048
01:28:39,340 --> 01:28:35,760
back to not just putting your ego in the

2049
01:28:42,440 --> 01:28:39,350
closet but also being a little more

2050
01:28:44,540 --> 01:28:42,450
amenable to different possibilities I

2051
01:28:46,730 --> 01:28:44,550
mean one of the things that John keel

2052
01:28:49,730 --> 01:28:46,740
did that was really great is he made you

2053
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:49,740
think about aspects of UFO and

2054
01:28:53,510 --> 01:28:51,330
paranormal research you didn't think

2055
01:28:55,070 --> 01:28:53,520
about before because I think a lot of

2056
01:28:57,860 --> 01:28:55,080
people who were very prominent in this

2057
01:29:00,500 --> 01:28:57,870
field are lazy thinkers you know I think

2058
01:29:02,570 --> 01:29:00,510
of the late major Donald Kehoe the

2059
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:02,580
forerunner of this who decided in maybe

2060
01:29:07,220 --> 01:29:05,730
1950 UFOs or spaceships the government

2061
01:29:10,070 --> 01:29:07,230
knows this they're keeping it a secret

2062
01:29:11,660 --> 01:29:10,080
and for the rest of his days I don't

2063
01:29:14,690 --> 01:29:11,670
think he changed the thing about what he

2064
01:29:17,510 --> 01:29:14,700
believed I interviewed him in the latter

2065
01:29:20,210 --> 01:29:17,520
days of his life and I got the same

2066
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:20,220
story so I kind of assumed he never

2067
01:29:24,860 --> 01:29:22,050
changed his belief but that's part of it

2068
01:29:27,500 --> 01:29:24,870
also people develop some kind of theory

2069
01:29:30,860 --> 01:29:27,510
early on and maybe they get the lecture

2070
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:30,870
tours or the books out of it and nothing

2071
01:29:35,450 --> 01:29:31,890
will let them change

2072
01:29:38,660 --> 01:29:35,460
I think dr. J Allen Hynek was a person

2073
01:29:42,440 --> 01:29:38,670
who was changing his views in his final

2074
01:29:45,050 --> 01:29:42,450
years because not just because of what

2075
01:29:47,300 --> 01:29:45,060
he reportedly told Donald Schmidt is

2076
01:29:48,710 --> 01:29:47,310
what Schmitt related when we talked to

2077
01:29:51,950 --> 01:29:48,720
him a couple of weeks back on the power

2078
01:29:53,570 --> 01:29:51,960
cast it is what he told me I got the

2079
01:29:56,990 --> 01:29:53,580
same impression that he was looking at

2080
01:29:59,420 --> 01:29:57,000
the so-called three and a half d UFO

2081
01:30:02,780 --> 01:29:59,430
ever as Jim Mosely called it something

2082
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:02,790
more involved than just spaceships

2083
01:30:09,380 --> 01:30:05,730
I mean spaceships is enough yeah it is

2084
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:09,390
fantastic enough but he had come to

2085
01:30:13,850 --> 01:30:11,610
think that the UFO field encompassed a

2086
01:30:17,060 --> 01:30:13,860
lot more and I think part of the problem

2087
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:17,070
also is having tunnel vision not being

2088
01:30:22,750 --> 01:30:19,170
able to accept the possibility that what

2089
01:30:25,220 --> 01:30:22,760
you believe may have no basis in reality

2090
01:30:26,690 --> 01:30:25,230
and they may have to embrace some more

2091
01:30:29,060 --> 01:30:26,700
interesting ideas we have to embrace

2092
01:30:30,900 --> 01:30:29,070
this with Gene and Chris you're in the

2093
01:30:38,940 --> 01:30:30,910
para cast

2094
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:41,160
America's number one source for

2095
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:44,570
independent talk radio for over a decade

2096
01:30:51,070 --> 01:30:49,610
we are the gcn radio network first came

2097
01:30:53,110 --> 01:30:51,080
attack of the rock codes and it was a

2098
01:30:55,060 --> 01:30:53,120
critically acclaimed success and now

2099
01:30:57,190 --> 01:30:55,070
there is the coming of the protectors a

2100
01:30:59,500 --> 01:30:57,200
former military intelligence man is

2101
01:31:01,300 --> 01:30:59,510
contacted by a space woman in a dream a

2102
01:31:03,700 --> 01:31:01,310
dream that turns out to be a nightmare

2103
01:31:05,470 --> 01:31:03,710
because evil forces on our distant

2104
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:05,480
planet are planning to conquer the earth

2105
01:31:10,540 --> 01:31:08,090
this is gripping science fiction of the

2106
01:31:12,610 --> 01:31:10,550
classic kind attack of the rock codes

2107
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and the coming of the protectors find

2108
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out more at Rocko it's calm

2109
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that's Rocko it's our Ock oids calm so

2110
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here's what happened I was placing an

2111
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order online the site went down it just

2112
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2113
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hi this is nuclear physicist lecturers

2202
01:35:02,910 --> 01:34:59,800
and Friedman you are listening to the

2203
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:02,920
Peres case the gold standard a

2204
01:35:13,290 --> 01:35:11,170
paranormal radio gene and Chris and the

2205
01:35:15,540 --> 01:35:13,300
para casts we talk shop and I was

2206
01:35:17,790 --> 01:35:15,550
talking about the things that UFO

2207
01:35:20,069 --> 01:35:17,800
researchers are doing that maybe hurt

2208
01:35:22,259 --> 01:35:20,079
the field Chris you were about to say

2209
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:22,269
something about that yeah when I first

2210
01:35:28,169 --> 01:35:26,170
got involved as a you know a dedicated

2211
01:35:30,799 --> 01:35:28,179
field investigator and someone who

2212
01:35:34,140 --> 01:35:30,809
actually was actively running around

2213
01:35:36,689 --> 01:35:34,150
covering claims and case reports and

2214
01:35:39,810 --> 01:35:36,699
that sort of thing David Perkins very

2215
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:39,820
early on told me that I think I can

2216
01:35:43,799 --> 01:35:41,280
quote him word for word he says

2217
01:35:45,660 --> 01:35:43,809
everything that you think about this is

2218
01:35:49,709 --> 01:35:45,670
wrong but boy I sure like your

2219
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:49,719
enthusiasm so you always have to you

2220
01:35:54,180 --> 01:35:52,210
know you you always have to be light on

2221
01:35:55,950 --> 01:35:54,190
your feet in terms of your thinking and

2222
01:35:59,189 --> 01:35:55,960
I think your point about lazy thinkers

2223
01:36:02,310 --> 01:35:59,199
is really important you know the further

2224
01:36:04,169 --> 01:36:02,320
the decades go descend behind you in

2225
01:36:06,209 --> 01:36:04,179
this field the more entrenched your

2226
01:36:08,700 --> 01:36:06,219
thinking I think naturally becomes and

2227
01:36:11,549 --> 01:36:08,710
it's really tough to keep a fresh

2228
01:36:13,859 --> 01:36:11,559
perspective here's the last of Jeff's

2229
01:36:17,009 --> 01:36:13,869
questions this is a good one if money

2230
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:17,019
were no option or I think he if money

2231
01:36:20,459 --> 01:36:18,610
was not an issue I think is what he's

2232
01:36:23,129 --> 01:36:20,469
saying what would you do to propel the

2233
01:36:24,660 --> 01:36:23,139
UFO research field forward for instance

2234
01:36:27,390 --> 01:36:24,670
would you establish a research or

2235
01:36:30,330 --> 01:36:27,400
organization like MUFON you want me to

2236
01:36:34,169 --> 01:36:30,340
take that first oh please well first

2237
01:36:38,330 --> 01:36:34,179
thing I do is I get a worldwide hotspot

2238
01:36:41,279 --> 01:36:38,340
network of instrumented 24/7 video and

2239
01:36:45,450 --> 01:36:41,289
instrumented coverage of hotspot areas

2240
01:36:48,810 --> 01:36:45,460
and have it all integrated through the

2241
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:48,820
internet and maybe not have an official

2242
01:36:55,169 --> 01:36:51,449
organization but have a network of

2243
01:36:57,390 --> 01:36:55,179
dedicated professionals manning this ear

2244
01:36:58,950 --> 01:36:57,400
and then dedicated professionals who

2245
01:37:01,589 --> 01:36:58,960
will be managing the database that would

2246
01:37:03,509 --> 01:37:01,599
be accumulated through this effort you

2247
01:37:04,620 --> 01:37:03,519
know that would be my that son that's

2248
01:37:06,090 --> 01:37:04,630
number one on my way

2249
01:37:08,459 --> 01:37:06,100
lest in terms of that particular

2250
01:37:09,870 --> 01:37:08,469
question and and we are seeing some

2251
01:37:11,970 --> 01:37:09,880
headway by the way with the San Luis

2252
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:11,980
Valley camera project we've had some

2253
01:37:16,350 --> 01:37:14,770
real major issues with bandwidth we

2254
01:37:20,820 --> 01:37:16,360
think we've come up with a workaround

2255
01:37:24,629 --> 01:37:20,830
for this we're going to relay a very you

2256
01:37:26,010 --> 01:37:24,639
know substantial pipeline to a new tower

2257
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:26,020
that's going to be put up near the Great

2258
01:37:32,459 --> 01:37:29,170
Sand Dunes Oasis and this will allow us

2259
01:37:34,740 --> 01:37:32,469
to then have the adequate bandwidth to

2260
01:37:37,110 --> 01:37:34,750
be able to pull this multi camera system

2261
01:37:38,669 --> 01:37:37,120
off right now so the I'll have some one

2262
01:37:41,070 --> 01:37:38,679
news on this here in the next week or

2263
01:37:43,770 --> 01:37:41,080
two we also have to work a way of

2264
01:37:45,540 --> 01:37:43,780
streaming that on your site and one of

2265
01:37:47,310 --> 01:37:45,550
the techniques we explored doesn't look

2266
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:47,320
viable anymore because it relies on

2267
01:37:52,020 --> 01:37:50,050
outmoded technology right so let me just

2268
01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:52,030
raise the issue again if we're gonna do

2269
01:38:01,320 --> 01:37:56,170
this we need something that will work on

2270
01:38:06,270 --> 01:38:01,330
a Mac a PC a smartphone iPhone Android

2271
01:38:08,790 --> 01:38:06,280
galaxy s4 whatever we need html5

2272
01:38:12,030 --> 01:38:08,800
streaming if anyone knows what that is

2273
01:38:14,910 --> 01:38:12,040
get in touch with us well at news at the

2274
01:38:16,379 --> 01:38:14,920
power cast calm and we'll hook you up

2275
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:16,389
with Chris and get this thing to work

2276
01:38:22,290 --> 01:38:19,690
has to html5 because we need something

2277
01:38:24,300 --> 01:38:22,300
that's compatible with a billion that

2278
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:24,310
devices that are out there right now a

2279
01:38:30,660 --> 01:38:27,610
billion devices you know the knowledge

2280
01:38:35,010 --> 01:38:30,670
is there it's there sure so they were

2281
01:38:39,180 --> 01:38:35,020
abundance me questions I've got answers

2282
01:38:42,660 --> 01:38:39,190
no go ahead okay here's a good one from

2283
01:38:43,340 --> 01:38:42,670
stagger Lee who's been a poster now for

2284
01:38:46,290 --> 01:38:43,350
almost a year

2285
01:38:48,780 --> 01:38:46,300
exactly was the name of a record rock

2286
01:38:50,010 --> 01:38:48,790
and roll record from the 1950s by the

2287
01:38:53,669 --> 01:38:50,020
late Lord Price

2288
01:38:55,530 --> 01:38:53,679
yep stag alley yes since joining the

2289
01:38:57,720 --> 01:38:55,540
forum I have come to believe as others

2290
01:38:59,970 --> 01:38:57,730
here do that the UFO phenomenon seems to

2291
01:39:01,800 --> 01:38:59,980
correct itself thus making a very

2292
01:39:03,390 --> 01:39:01,810
difficult or next to impossible to

2293
01:39:06,209 --> 01:39:03,400
obtain evidence through picture video

2294
01:39:07,950 --> 01:39:06,219
etc my thinking is that the intelligence

2295
01:39:10,229 --> 01:39:07,960
behind these crafters somehow able to

2296
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:10,239
manipulate time in a manner that leaves

2297
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:12,250
a witness or witnesses unable to gather

2298
01:39:16,530 --> 01:39:14,560
evidence what are your thoughts on this

2299
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:16,540
theory am i misunderstanding the points

2300
01:39:19,890 --> 01:39:18,010
of this theory

2301
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:19,900
well this is something about what we

2302
01:39:26,610 --> 01:39:21,489
talked about earlier in the episode

2303
01:39:29,700 --> 01:39:26,620
about the trickster aspect to it like in

2304
01:39:31,530 --> 01:39:29,710
response to the question well all these

2305
01:39:34,290 --> 01:39:31,540
people have the smartphones and they've

2306
01:39:37,470 --> 01:39:34,300
got the tablets why aren't they taking

2307
01:39:40,350 --> 01:39:37,480
really good pictures of UFOs and we look

2308
01:39:42,270 --> 01:39:40,360
at the fact that obviously it's

2309
01:39:44,130 --> 01:39:42,280
unexpected so we don't remember to take

2310
01:39:47,220 --> 01:39:44,140
the thing out of her pocket but also

2311
01:39:50,490 --> 01:39:47,230
maybe we are being manipulated but I

2312
01:39:54,330 --> 01:39:50,500
think the UFO field has been a lot about

2313
01:39:56,940 --> 01:39:54,340
manipulation about reflecting the state

2314
01:39:58,710 --> 01:39:56,950
of the culture and as our culture

2315
01:40:02,010 --> 01:39:58,720
expands what we perceive to be UFOs

2316
01:40:03,900 --> 01:40:02,020
expands or changes so we are being

2317
01:40:07,140 --> 01:40:03,910
manipulated we are under control of

2318
01:40:10,110 --> 01:40:07,150
something no yeah I agree with that and

2319
01:40:12,270 --> 01:40:10,120
I also would like to add that based on

2320
01:40:13,950 --> 01:40:12,280
the work that Rey Stanford is doing he's

2321
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:13,960
come to the conclusion that we're

2322
01:40:17,820 --> 01:40:15,970
dealing with some time-based elements

2323
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:17,830
some time compression that these objects

2324
01:40:25,410 --> 01:40:21,130
are actually operating far faster and

2325
01:40:27,990 --> 01:40:25,420
far more efficiently in a sort of a

2326
01:40:31,620 --> 01:40:28,000
compressed time frame if you will and

2327
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:31,630
that suggests to me that there is an

2328
01:40:36,930 --> 01:40:34,570
overlooked aspect to you know your

2329
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:36,940
average sighting and that is the the

2330
01:40:42,090 --> 01:40:39,610
aspect of consciousness I think I think

2331
01:40:44,910 --> 01:40:42,100
consciousness is somehow involved in in

2332
01:40:47,550 --> 01:40:44,920
this and you for some reason certain

2333
01:40:48,990 --> 01:40:47,560
people seem to be more open to having

2334
01:40:52,530 --> 01:40:49,000
the experience and that attends to

2335
01:40:55,740 --> 01:40:52,540
almost be like an attractor generally

2336
01:40:58,710 --> 01:40:55,750
close minded people hard-boiled skeptics

2337
01:41:00,750 --> 01:40:58,720
are the last people to have you know a

2338
01:41:02,850 --> 01:41:00,760
highly unusual experience that they

2339
01:41:05,430 --> 01:41:02,860
can't explain although it does happen

2340
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:05,440
from time to time I think if you're open

2341
01:41:11,460 --> 01:41:08,650
to the to having the experience you're

2342
01:41:12,930 --> 01:41:11,470
attracting and increasing your odds of

2343
01:41:15,420 --> 01:41:12,940
having that experience and I think

2344
01:41:17,930 --> 01:41:15,430
that's an overlooked element that really

2345
01:41:22,650 --> 01:41:17,940
hasn't had enough I think research done

2346
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:22,660
other you know things I it's it's really

2347
01:41:26,220 --> 01:41:24,730
difficult like I said and we covered

2348
01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:26,230
this earlier it's really difficult for

2349
01:41:29,970 --> 01:41:28,000
the average person to be faced with the

2350
01:41:32,100 --> 01:41:29,980
inexplicable and in react like a

2351
01:41:34,890 --> 01:41:32,110
professional grab the can

2352
01:41:36,750 --> 01:41:34,900
start looking for other witnesses to

2353
01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:36,760
corroborate your sighting grab your

2354
01:41:41,450 --> 01:41:39,250
notepad and paper get people's names and

2355
01:41:44,459 --> 01:41:41,460
addresses get supportive information

2356
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:44,469
people have a tendency to be dazzled in

2357
01:41:51,060 --> 01:41:48,370
and in they've you know they freeze you

2358
01:41:53,310 --> 01:41:51,070
know essentially and I think people need

2359
01:41:54,990 --> 01:41:53,320
to be more open and more ready for these

2360
01:41:58,229 --> 01:41:55,000
things to happen so it's not quite as a

2361
01:42:00,030 --> 01:41:58,239
surprise when it does happen of course

2362
01:42:01,100 --> 01:42:00,040
if you haven't had a firm before how can

2363
01:42:04,050 --> 01:42:01,110
that happen

2364
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:04,060
speaking of happening well it's that

2365
01:42:07,500 --> 01:42:05,530
whole idea of being able to manipulate

2366
01:42:09,479 --> 01:42:07,510
time I think that that's a key thing

2367
01:42:11,729 --> 01:42:09,489
that in the component of consciousness I

2368
01:42:13,709 --> 01:42:11,739
think that's those are the two crucial

2369
01:42:15,390 --> 01:42:13,719
elements I think in stager Leigh's

2370
01:42:18,870 --> 01:42:15,400
question

2371
01:42:21,419 --> 01:42:18,880
techno mage tea has a number of

2372
01:42:22,620 --> 01:42:21,429
questions we asked one before but he

2373
01:42:25,410 --> 01:42:22,630
wants to know Jean are there still

2374
01:42:27,750 --> 01:42:25,420
credible ce3 and higher sighting events

2375
01:42:29,370 --> 01:42:27,760
today all the big cases I'm aware of

2376
01:42:32,189 --> 01:42:29,380
Travis Walton in the Hills Budd Hopkins

2377
01:42:34,140 --> 01:42:32,199
cases happen decades ago are you aware

2378
01:42:36,630 --> 01:42:34,150
of any cases like this in more recent

2379
01:42:39,479 --> 01:42:36,640
memory or are we back to lights and the

2380
01:42:41,669 --> 01:42:39,489
sky orbs and craft only well there are

2381
01:42:43,979 --> 01:42:41,679
always lights in the sky all over the

2382
01:42:46,169 --> 01:42:43,989
place we CLO those pictures of lights in

2383
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:46,179
the sky people see lights in the sky but

2384
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:48,610
at the end of the day that's what they

2385
01:42:52,950 --> 01:42:50,650
are lights in the sky that don't show

2386
01:42:55,530 --> 01:42:52,960
anything distinct enough to be anything

2387
01:42:59,430 --> 01:42:55,540
unusual I think more craft than anything

2388
01:43:00,990 --> 01:42:59,440
else you know I don't see that sort of

2389
01:43:03,300 --> 01:43:01,000
thing happening it doesn't mean

2390
01:43:05,610 --> 01:43:03,310
abductions have not been reported

2391
01:43:07,169 --> 01:43:05,620
distel are I know a few years ago in the

2392
01:43:10,140 --> 01:43:07,179
parent caste we talked to a guy named

2393
01:43:12,810 --> 01:43:10,150
Doug who said he had been abducted and I

2394
01:43:15,060 --> 01:43:12,820
spent some time on skype with him what

2395
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:15,070
he has Skype session after that show

2396
01:43:19,979 --> 01:43:17,410
where I talked to him about an hour or

2397
01:43:22,439 --> 01:43:19,989
more and was mostly just fleshing out

2398
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:22,449
details and I got the impression it was

2399
01:43:27,169 --> 01:43:25,090
still something up close and personal so

2400
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:27,179
these things are still being reported

2401
01:43:31,500 --> 01:43:29,290
but for some reason they don't get the

2402
01:43:35,220 --> 01:43:31,510
attention at some of the older classic

2403
01:43:37,590 --> 01:43:35,230
so-called cases I agree with that I do

2404
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:37,600
think that there are rare events that do

2405
01:43:42,900 --> 01:43:39,610
occur I don't see the kind of frequency

2406
01:43:44,230 --> 01:43:42,910
that we saw in the 50 60s and 70s for

2407
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:44,240
instance

2408
01:43:49,060 --> 01:43:46,730
and with a brief resurgence I think in

2409
01:43:52,440 --> 01:43:49,070
the 90s I think there's there's kind of

2410
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:52,450
a symbiotic relationship between

2411
01:43:58,210 --> 01:43:56,090
publicity notoriety whether these

2412
01:44:02,070 --> 01:43:58,220
subjects become more or less socially

2413
01:44:06,660 --> 01:44:02,080
acceptable I think your issues around

2414
01:44:09,730 --> 01:44:06,670
socialist social relationships and and

2415
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:09,740
that I think comes into play I think

2416
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:13,730
when UFOs are not in vogue or it's not

2417
01:44:19,570 --> 01:44:16,850
you know something that you're going to

2418
01:44:20,710 --> 01:44:19,580
readily hear about in your everyday life

2419
01:44:23,290 --> 01:44:20,720
if you have something extraordinary

2420
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:23,300
happened I don't think you're as likely

2421
01:44:29,380 --> 01:44:26,330
to come forward as you would be back in

2422
01:44:31,060 --> 01:44:29,390
the 90s when the x-files and and some

2423
01:44:32,860 --> 01:44:31,070
really cool shows were out there really

2424
01:44:34,780 --> 01:44:32,870
bringing these subjects to the forefront

2425
01:44:38,230 --> 01:44:34,790
making them more acceptable I think

2426
01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:38,240
socially generally the paranormal is a

2427
01:44:45,340 --> 01:44:43,130
low status social subject as is you know

2428
01:44:48,970 --> 01:44:45,350
many aspects of the paranormal these

2429
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:48,980
these tends to stigmatize you to a

2430
01:44:53,530 --> 01:44:51,170
certain degree of course you and I

2431
01:44:55,860 --> 01:44:53,540
really don't care about that but some

2432
01:44:59,050 --> 01:44:55,870
people do I've been stigmatized enough

2433
01:45:01,480 --> 01:44:59,060
people know I'm crazy and they accept it

2434
01:45:04,090 --> 01:45:01,490
what is surprising is I do a technology

2435
01:45:06,670 --> 01:45:04,100
show the tech night out live and I do

2436
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:06,680
the power cast with Chris and I don't

2437
01:45:10,990 --> 01:45:08,570
think people come to me and say how

2438
01:45:13,990 --> 01:45:11,000
could you do both shows it's never on

2439
01:45:16,090 --> 01:45:14,000
the agenda there you go we're talking

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01:45:18,730 --> 01:45:16,100
shop here this week with gene and Chris

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01:45:21,030 --> 01:45:18,740
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01:47:54,270 --> 01:47:49,959
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2484
01:48:02,979 --> 01:47:54,280
standard of paranormal radio and now

2485
01:48:05,140 --> 01:48:02,989
here's Jean Steinberg final four

2486
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:05,150
segments of our shop talk with Jean and

2487
01:48:10,570 --> 01:48:07,850
Cris we take stock of the state of the

2488
01:48:12,490 --> 01:48:10,580
UFO and paranormal fields and we've

2489
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:12,500
spent some time answering your questions

2490
01:48:15,610 --> 01:48:14,210
and there's a lot to go here some of

2491
01:48:18,130 --> 01:48:15,620
these questions are really involved

2492
01:48:20,170 --> 01:48:18,140
require a lot of thought and what that

2493
01:48:22,990 --> 01:48:20,180
means is I think we've got but maybe the

2494
01:48:25,120 --> 01:48:23,000
best listeners on the planet really I

2495
01:48:27,850 --> 01:48:25,130
agree it's amazing the questions that

2496
01:48:29,500 --> 01:48:27,860
come up with it's amazing the things and

2497
01:48:31,870 --> 01:48:29,510
the skills they have and the things they

2498
01:48:33,580 --> 01:48:31,880
know about yeah I totally agree with

2499
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:33,590
that I think we're very very fortunate

2500
01:48:39,340 --> 01:48:36,650
to have the quality of thinkers and and

2501
01:48:42,670 --> 01:48:39,350
quality of participants at forum dr.

2502
01:48:44,620 --> 01:48:42,680
Peric ascom every time practically I go

2503
01:48:47,740 --> 01:48:44,630
on that forum I'm gonna learn something

2504
01:48:50,530 --> 01:48:47,750
or be turned on to a link to a story

2505
01:48:52,810 --> 01:48:50,540
that then intrigues me enough to do some

2506
01:48:54,580 --> 01:48:52,820
additional research and and it's just

2507
01:48:56,020 --> 01:48:54,590
such a valuable resource for anyone

2508
01:48:58,510 --> 01:48:56,030
that's interested in any of the many

2509
01:49:00,189 --> 01:48:58,520
subjects that we cover here and and I

2510
01:49:02,380 --> 01:49:00,199
can't thank everybody enough out there

2511
01:49:06,250 --> 01:49:02,390
for your participation I have another

2512
01:49:09,220 --> 01:49:06,260
one from techno mage T who has been

2513
01:49:10,900 --> 01:49:09,230
foreign poster for about ten months he

2514
01:49:12,850 --> 01:49:10,910
hasn't posted many messages but he came

2515
01:49:15,670 --> 01:49:12,860
out of the woodwork for this episode

2516
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:15,680
Jean are you aware of any plan or do you

2517
01:49:18,700 --> 01:49:17,090
have any thoughts on forming an

2518
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:18,710
organization to actually make some

2519
01:49:22,420 --> 01:49:20,570
progress on this topic we've kind of

2520
01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:22,430
covered that already but he says the

2521
01:49:25,450 --> 01:49:23,810
organization would be a genuine

2522
01:49:27,670 --> 01:49:25,460
resourceful organization that collects

2523
01:49:29,350 --> 01:49:27,680
data analyzes and publishes the data I

2524
01:49:30,820 --> 01:49:29,360
think do a lot of people on this forum

2525
01:49:32,500 --> 01:49:30,830
we would actually like to use their

2526
01:49:34,590 --> 01:49:32,510
various talents to further in this field

2527
01:49:36,729 --> 01:49:34,600
of study instead of only discussing it

2528
01:49:39,670 --> 01:49:36,739
discussion is good but research is

2529
01:49:41,860 --> 01:49:39,680
better I couldn't agree more for example

2530
01:49:44,740 --> 01:49:41,870
I have a background in IT databases

2531
01:49:46,630 --> 01:49:44,750
software development let G know and

2532
01:49:49,930 --> 01:49:46,640
we'll we'll start working on the back

2533
01:49:52,660 --> 01:49:49,940
end of the podcast plus software get a

2534
01:49:54,250 --> 01:49:52,670
view only video stream going of the San

2535
01:49:56,320 --> 01:49:54,260
Luis Valley camera project we could use

2536
01:49:58,830 --> 01:49:56,330
your help and by the way I think the

2537
01:50:01,920 --> 01:49:58,840
government needs you the US government

2538
01:50:05,010 --> 01:50:01,930
or the healthcare.gov website it is a

2539
01:50:07,290 --> 01:50:05,020
mess it's badly designed I understand

2540
01:50:08,790 --> 01:50:07,300
what they're trying to do but maybe they

2541
01:50:11,130 --> 01:50:08,800
hire the lowest bidder I don't know

2542
01:50:11,730 --> 01:50:11,140
maybe nobody wants to do that kind of

2543
01:50:13,710 --> 01:50:11,740
thing

2544
01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:13,720
I mean that's one of the reasons what

2545
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:15,280
the lowest bidder you get what you pay

2546
01:50:17,940 --> 01:50:15,730
for

2547
01:50:19,500 --> 01:50:17,950
it's usually not the lowest bidder it's

2548
01:50:21,660 --> 01:50:19,510
the bidder who sends you the check for

2549
01:50:23,820 --> 01:50:21,670
the campaign well but it's sure not

2550
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:23,830
working I mean how can you not be

2551
01:50:28,170 --> 01:50:26,290
compatible with Safari on Macs right now

2552
01:50:31,200 --> 01:50:28,180
around the world there are over 75

2553
01:50:32,940 --> 01:50:31,210
million Mac users Wow that's twice as

2554
01:50:36,030 --> 01:50:32,950
many as just a few years ago you know

2555
01:50:38,100 --> 01:50:36,040
it's astounding well as far as an

2556
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:38,110
organization I've done the

2557
01:50:42,990 --> 01:50:40,570
organizational thing I don't know if we

2558
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:43,000
want to do that but I was thinking we go

2559
01:50:47,700 --> 01:50:44,290
back to something you and I were talking

2560
01:50:51,150 --> 01:50:47,710
about some episodes back about finding a

2561
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:51,160
way to fund specific research projects I

2562
01:50:56,850 --> 01:50:53,290
don't mean having the monthly magazine

2563
01:50:59,610 --> 01:50:56,860
and the meetings in the organization but

2564
01:51:01,980 --> 01:50:59,620
funding projects to do actual field

2565
01:51:03,750 --> 01:51:01,990
research right finding a way to raise

2566
01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:03,760
the money for that but the only person

2567
01:51:07,470 --> 01:51:05,170
we know who does that is like a Robert

2568
01:51:09,240 --> 01:51:07,480
Bigelow maybe Paul Allen one of the

2569
01:51:10,530 --> 01:51:09,250
cofounders of Microsoft would do it

2570
01:51:12,780 --> 01:51:10,540
maybe Steve Ballmer you know he's

2571
01:51:14,190 --> 01:51:12,790
leaving Microsoft now he's worth

2572
01:51:20,280 --> 01:51:14,200
billions of dollars

2573
01:51:22,590 --> 01:51:20,290
Steve get in touch with us yeah there's

2574
01:51:24,690 --> 01:51:22,600
a lot of a lot of people out there with

2575
01:51:25,950 --> 01:51:24,700
deep pockets that you know you would

2576
01:51:27,750 --> 01:51:25,960
think might have an interest in

2577
01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:27,760
furthering our understanding of our

2578
01:51:33,060 --> 01:51:30,400
place in the cosmos here and I don't

2579
01:51:36,420 --> 01:51:33,070
mean beaming radio signals hoping et

2580
01:51:38,910 --> 01:51:36,430
broadcasts on am talk radio broadcasts

2581
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:38,920
on am talk radio but we're not et I

2582
01:51:45,150 --> 01:51:40,570
don't think of course I'm speaking of

2583
01:51:48,060 --> 01:51:45,160
myself here well I think I think our

2584
01:51:51,180 --> 01:51:48,070
listeners get my point on that John ray

2585
01:51:54,390 --> 01:51:51,190
of course has has sung a lot of his own

2586
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:54,400
money into the open minds efforts down

2587
01:52:00,900 --> 01:51:58,080
there in Tempe he has this really cool

2588
01:52:03,030 --> 01:52:00,910
sort of I don't know it's a it's like a

2589
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:03,040
camera with a radar unit or something

2590
01:52:06,810 --> 01:52:04,930
that kind of looks like a rocket

2591
01:52:09,450 --> 01:52:06,820
launcher on the back of a little of a

2592
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:09,460
little uh four four by four we need more

2593
01:52:15,660 --> 01:52:11,530
people like Douglas Trumbull and here

2594
01:52:18,950 --> 01:52:15,670
UFO cap idea of having a you know a full

2595
01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:18,960
mobile functioning UFO hard data

2596
01:52:24,930 --> 01:52:22,090
scientific array on on wheels like a

2597
01:52:28,530 --> 01:52:24,940
Hummer with a roof that opens up and all

2598
01:52:31,200 --> 01:52:28,540
these these telescopes cameras and radar

2599
01:52:32,820 --> 01:52:31,210
units and stuff pop out I think this is

2600
01:52:34,860 --> 01:52:32,830
this is a step in the right direction

2601
01:52:37,430 --> 01:52:34,870
I agree discussion discussion helps

2602
01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:37,440
further our our understanding maybe

2603
01:52:41,940 --> 01:52:39,730
educate ourselves a little bit with each

2604
01:52:44,160 --> 01:52:41,950
other but there's no substitute for hard

2605
01:52:46,410 --> 01:52:44,170
data research there really isn't and

2606
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:46,420
that's a really good point that TMT

2607
01:52:50,730 --> 01:52:48,970
brings up we've got some other questions

2608
01:52:52,650 --> 01:52:50,740
here should I keep going with these gene

2609
01:52:56,520 --> 01:52:52,660
or keep the cards and letters coming

2610
01:52:58,860 --> 01:52:56,530
yeah well this one gets into some of the

2611
01:53:01,560 --> 01:52:58,870
work that I've done here in the last few

2612
01:53:04,010 --> 01:53:01,570
years on the on the trickster mechanism

2613
01:53:07,460 --> 01:53:04,020
as I refer to it and this comes from

2614
01:53:12,240 --> 01:53:07,470
feral normal master our good frame raid

2615
01:53:14,550 --> 01:53:12,250
raid Ridsdale who has been a poster here

2616
01:53:16,830 --> 01:53:14,560
at the forum dr. Peric ascom for a

2617
01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:16,840
couple of years and is very active on

2618
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:19,450
the forums he says he touched on this in

2619
01:53:22,980 --> 01:53:21,010
his commentary on the most recent

2620
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:22,990
broadcast with david Weatherly but he's

2621
01:53:27,270 --> 01:53:25,930
asking since I became aware of your work

2622
01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:27,280
was stalking the tricksters you've

2623
01:53:32,190 --> 01:53:29,650
warned against the inhibiting factor of

2624
01:53:33,840 --> 01:53:32,200
pop culture programming but even with

2625
01:53:35,460 --> 01:53:33,850
the more advanced theories out there if

2626
01:53:37,980 --> 01:53:35,470
after a period of time there are still

2627
01:53:40,020 --> 01:53:37,990
no progress being made will these

2628
01:53:42,180 --> 01:53:40,030
advanced theories themselves become

2629
01:53:44,340 --> 01:53:42,190
tomorrow's pop culture programming

2630
01:53:45,270 --> 01:53:44,350
that's a really good question and I'm

2631
01:53:47,100 --> 01:53:45,280
glad he asked it

2632
01:53:49,350 --> 01:53:47,110
I think the obviously there's a

2633
01:53:52,440 --> 01:53:49,360
possibility that they could but but I

2634
01:53:54,780 --> 01:53:52,450
think people have if they're not

2635
01:53:56,700 --> 01:53:54,790
educated and they don't do the the

2636
01:53:58,640 --> 01:53:56,710
amount of research and spend the time

2637
01:54:00,990 --> 01:53:58,650
really bringing themselves up to speed

2638
01:54:02,820 --> 01:54:01,000
they're going to be influenced by the

2639
01:54:05,430 --> 01:54:02,830
media they're going to be influenced by

2640
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:05,440
popular thinking and until these

2641
01:54:11,310 --> 01:54:08,530
alternative theories in these new ways

2642
01:54:15,650 --> 01:54:11,320
of looking at the box from outside of

2643
01:54:18,090 --> 01:54:15,660
the box until these areas become

2644
01:54:19,140 --> 01:54:18,100
publicized they become accepted they

2645
01:54:20,700 --> 01:54:19,150
become more well-known

2646
01:54:23,430 --> 01:54:20,710
I don't think that they're going to be

2647
01:54:24,140 --> 01:54:23,440
the pop culture paradigm of the future

2648
01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:24,150
on

2649
01:54:33,649 --> 01:54:30,050
presents some some fruit and presents

2650
01:54:35,630 --> 01:54:33,659
some you know some motivation to change

2651
01:54:38,149 --> 01:54:35,640
people's thinking and to attract the

2652
01:54:40,580 --> 01:54:38,159
media I'm finding now I deal with

2653
01:54:43,160 --> 01:54:40,590
production companies and the media quite

2654
01:54:45,890 --> 01:54:43,170
a bit and I've recently been getting

2655
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:45,900
calls from production companies wanting

2656
01:54:50,840 --> 01:54:49,050
me to help come up with a new and

2657
01:54:53,419 --> 01:54:50,850
different way of covering these subjects

2658
01:54:56,180 --> 01:54:53,429
a way that it hasn't been you know just

2659
01:54:59,060 --> 01:54:56,190
bludgeoned to death like chasing UFOs

2660
01:55:01,010 --> 01:54:59,070
and UFO Hunters you know these types of

2661
01:55:03,380 --> 01:55:01,020
programs I mean you can only cover the

2662
01:55:05,780 --> 01:55:03,390
old case as so many times before you

2663
01:55:08,229 --> 01:55:05,790
really kind of run out of steam and I

2664
01:55:11,270 --> 01:55:08,239
think you know a real cutting-edge

2665
01:55:14,300 --> 01:55:11,280
working on real time cases if possible

2666
01:55:18,070 --> 01:55:14,310
working on unreal you know late-breaking

2667
01:55:21,169 --> 01:55:18,080
recent events I think these types of

2668
01:55:23,149 --> 01:55:21,179
this type of approach I think is

2669
01:55:25,430 --> 01:55:23,159
compelling and I think that there's a

2670
01:55:28,250 --> 01:55:25,440
real thirst right now in the production

2671
01:55:31,340 --> 01:55:28,260
side of the media they want new ideas

2672
01:55:34,040 --> 01:55:31,350
they're really fishing for new and

2673
01:55:36,950 --> 01:55:34,050
better ways to pull coverage of these

2674
01:55:38,419 --> 01:55:36,960
subjects forward and to come up with new

2675
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and different ways to do things so

2676
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that's kind of where I'm seeing it right

2677
01:55:47,180 --> 01:55:44,390
now I think there is a real need for

2678
01:55:48,979 --> 01:55:47,190
taking this field forward so that the

2679
01:55:50,270 --> 01:55:48,989
public has new and different ways of

2680
01:55:52,610 --> 01:55:50,280
thinking about and looking at these

2681
01:55:55,040 --> 01:55:52,620
subjects I think it's doubly important

2682
01:55:57,110 --> 01:55:55,050
because so many of the people who are

2683
01:55:59,270 --> 01:55:57,120
interested in UFOs think we're looking

2684
01:56:03,169 --> 01:55:59,280
for spaceships and that might be true

2685
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:03,179
but that seems to be numero uno as far

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01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:05,010
as belief systems are concerned in fact

2687
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a recent survey now said that 52% of the

2688
01:56:14,240 --> 01:56:11,310
US population believes in UFOs being

2689
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UFOs as spaceships and I think the

2690
01:56:18,860 --> 01:56:16,710
biggest problem the biggest factor here

2691
01:56:21,320 --> 01:56:18,870
is we have to separate that we have to

2692
01:56:23,330 --> 01:56:21,330
go back to we've got a mystery we're not

2693
01:56:26,240 --> 01:56:23,340
sure what it is but let's look at

2694
01:56:27,560 --> 01:56:26,250
different theories not that UFOs or

2695
01:56:29,810 --> 01:56:27,570
spaceships how do we tell the people

2696
01:56:31,970 --> 01:56:29,820
about it because that basically leaves

2697
01:56:34,700 --> 01:56:31,980
us in a state of tunnel vision

2698
01:56:36,229 --> 01:56:34,710
now we're always lacking a thing it's

2699
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just putting ourselves right back in the

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box so I

2701
01:56:41,160 --> 01:56:39,520
I think we're at a real crucial point

2702
01:56:43,470 --> 01:56:41,170
right now and how the media is looking

2703
01:56:45,990 --> 01:56:43,480
at these subjects I think they've kind

2704
01:56:48,270 --> 01:56:46,000
of beaten the particular paradigm of how

2705
01:56:49,740 --> 01:56:48,280
they're approaching these subjects I

2706
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think they've sort of beaten us this

2707
01:56:53,670 --> 01:56:51,130
approach into the ground and I think

2708
01:56:56,490 --> 01:56:53,680
they're really ripe right now for new

2709
01:56:57,810 --> 01:56:56,500
and different approaches and innovation

2710
01:57:00,270 --> 01:56:57,820
and how these subjects are being

2711
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examined and then presented to the

2712
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public so I I'm the eternal optimist

2713
01:57:07,590 --> 01:57:05,590
when it comes to these sorts of

2714
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questions and and I would really like to

2715
01:57:11,010 --> 01:57:08,920
think that there's people out there that

2716
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that aren't just involved in this to

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make money that they're actually

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involved in this to to present quality

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programming and get people educated and

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get them thinking I think that that's

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overriding motivation ideally here's an

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2826
02:02:06,300 --> 02:02:04,150
questions we've had from our listeners

2827
02:02:08,399 --> 02:02:06,310
in the short time in which we announced

2828
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this episode which is a talking shop

2829
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session with Gina and Chris and the

2830
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power cast question most recently being

2831
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about again the various theories of UFOs

2832
02:02:23,370 --> 02:02:20,560
but I don't know how do we break the

2833
02:02:26,899 --> 02:02:23,380
syndrome of it's got to be ET or nothing

2834
02:02:30,240 --> 02:02:26,909
no that's that's gonna be a tough one in

2835
02:02:33,629 --> 02:02:30,250
until we have enough data to support or

2836
02:02:36,180 --> 02:02:33,639
you know somehow validate that

2837
02:02:38,040 --> 02:02:36,190
particular foregone conclusion I I think

2838
02:02:41,820 --> 02:02:38,050
it's always going to be there I think

2839
02:02:44,430 --> 02:02:41,830
it's it really taps into a deep part of

2840
02:02:45,810 --> 02:02:44,440
the collective human psyche to want to

2841
02:02:47,100 --> 02:02:45,820
be important enough for something out

2842
02:02:49,680 --> 02:02:47,110
there to come here and be interested

2843
02:02:52,260 --> 02:02:49,690
enough to to observe us to interact with

2844
02:02:55,560 --> 02:02:52,270
us at times I want you to eat us for

2845
02:02:57,899 --> 02:02:55,570
lunch or save us from all our problems

2846
02:03:00,629 --> 02:02:57,909
save us from ourselves I really I think

2847
02:03:02,970 --> 02:03:00,639
that that's the least likely explanation

2848
02:03:05,790 --> 02:03:02,980
right now I think we are dealing with a

2849
02:03:08,310 --> 02:03:05,800
lot of closed system phenomena you know

2850
02:03:10,589 --> 02:03:08,320
again that really just I know that rubs

2851
02:03:12,270 --> 02:03:10,599
many people the wrong way but I think we

2852
02:03:15,089 --> 02:03:12,280
should factor out all potential closed

2853
02:03:17,729 --> 02:03:15,099
system scenarios before we jump off

2854
02:03:19,890 --> 02:03:17,739
planet I'm not saying that ETS

2855
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don't exist there's probably trillions

2856
02:03:24,870 --> 02:03:22,570
of civilizations or life different types

2857
02:03:29,129 --> 02:03:24,880
of life-forms out there but you know are

2858
02:03:32,189 --> 02:03:29,139
we as a primitive misogynist violent you

2859
02:03:33,359 --> 02:03:32,199
know self-absorbed closed-system are we

2860
02:03:34,410 --> 02:03:33,369
important enough for them to come

2861
02:03:37,500 --> 02:03:34,420
interact with us

2862
02:03:39,770 --> 02:03:37,510
are we somebody's ant farm are we some

2863
02:03:41,850 --> 02:03:39,780
sort of software program by some

2864
02:03:45,600 --> 02:03:41,860
multi-dimensional fifteen-year-old I

2865
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like the last one that we don't really

2866
02:03:50,100 --> 02:03:47,730
exist where somebody software program

2867
02:03:53,520 --> 02:03:50,110
but that takes us back to the matrix

2868
02:03:55,589 --> 02:03:53,530
concept you know maybe explain some of

2869
02:03:57,540 --> 02:03:55,599
the anomalies in our reality which is of

2870
02:03:59,800 --> 02:03:57,550
course that the fifteen-year-olds a

2871
02:04:04,150 --> 02:03:59,810
little bit crazy but I almost go

2872
02:04:07,030 --> 02:04:04,160
back to with John keel about God being a

2873
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computerized intelligence that is not

2874
02:04:13,480 --> 02:04:12,020
entirely sane I loved that when I first

2875
02:04:15,550 --> 02:04:13,490
read it it really made me scratch my

2876
02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:15,560
head the eighth power I think isn't that

2877
02:04:20,410 --> 02:04:18,410
the book that it's in here's another one

2878
02:04:21,730 --> 02:04:20,420
about the trickster and this is an

2879
02:04:23,800 --> 02:04:21,740
interesting question which I have an

2880
02:04:26,530 --> 02:04:23,810
interesting answer to again this comes

2881
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from our good friend formerly known as

2882
02:04:30,670 --> 02:04:28,970
spooky Mulder I touched on this in my

2883
02:04:33,460 --> 02:04:30,680
commentary in the most recent broadcasts

2884
02:04:35,740 --> 02:04:33,470
with David Weatherly as he starts out

2885
02:04:37,960 --> 02:04:35,750
his list of questions he says if there

2886
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was a trickster mechanism involved could

2887
02:04:42,040 --> 02:04:39,650
it be leading us around by the nose and

2888
02:04:43,840 --> 02:04:42,050
staring us into dead ends which may be

2889
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why we find ourselves going around in

2890
02:04:48,190 --> 02:04:45,800
circles because that is the way of the

2891
02:04:49,330 --> 02:04:48,200
trickster I absolutely disagree I think

2892
02:04:51,070 --> 02:04:49,340
it's the exact opposite

2893
02:04:52,420 --> 02:04:51,080
I think we're going around in circles on

2894
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our own and the tricksters trying to

2895
02:04:56,890 --> 02:04:54,710
trying to jerk us out of that and topple

2896
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our our beliefs and create room for

2897
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creativity and and for forward progress

2898
02:05:05,020 --> 02:05:03,290
so no I think it's the exact opposite if

2899
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anything we're leading ourselves around

2900
02:05:08,620 --> 02:05:06,500
in circles and the tricks just trying to

2901
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break us out of that so Chris the

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trickster is here to make us think the

2903
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trickster yeah it's a mechanism of

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change it's a mechanism of creativity to

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create the room within static structures

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to topple those structures so that

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there's room for growth forward progress

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and creativity well as Ray Palmer once

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said the flying saucers are here to make

2910
02:05:34,570 --> 02:05:32,510
us think next question okay if the

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02:05:36,730 --> 02:05:34,580
trickster mechanism was involved and

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02:05:39,010 --> 02:05:36,740
maybe becoming sentient as you

2913
02:05:41,770 --> 02:05:39,020
hypothesized would it not want to be

2914
02:05:43,660 --> 02:05:41,780
acknowledged that's a good question I

2915
02:05:46,060 --> 02:05:43,670
would think that it wouldn't want to be

2916
02:05:49,080 --> 02:05:46,070
acknowledged I think that the the

2917
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:49,090
mechanism is is becoming self-aware

2918
02:05:54,610 --> 02:05:52,010
maybe developing an agenda but the first

2919
02:05:56,560 --> 02:05:54,620
thing if it became self-aware I think

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02:05:59,800 --> 02:05:56,570
the first thing it would realize is it's

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02:06:02,020 --> 02:05:59,810
got to really maintain its invisibility

2922
02:06:04,540 --> 02:06:02,030
and so it would be able to more

2923
02:06:06,370 --> 02:06:04,550
effectively do the things that I just

2924
02:06:08,950 --> 02:06:06,380
mentioned that that sort of trick

2925
02:06:10,780 --> 02:06:08,960
storage mechanism is you know thought to

2926
02:06:13,090 --> 02:06:10,790
be responsible for creating change

2927
02:06:13,769 --> 02:06:13,100
toppling static structures I think

2928
02:06:17,789 --> 02:06:13,779
anytime your

2929
02:06:20,459 --> 02:06:17,799
toppling the status quo you better be as

2930
02:06:24,509 --> 02:06:20,469
teflon like and invisible as possible or

2931
02:06:26,699 --> 02:06:24,519
somehow there's going to be kind of a

2932
02:06:30,719 --> 02:06:26,709
backlash or a riptide effect that goes

2933
02:06:32,729 --> 02:06:30,729
on with a target on on your backside if

2934
02:06:34,199 --> 02:06:32,739
you're not careful so if the trickster

2935
02:06:36,239 --> 02:06:34,209
is developing some sort of

2936
02:06:38,789 --> 02:06:36,249
self-awareness I think it would really

2937
02:06:40,799 --> 02:06:38,799
attempt to hide as effectively as it as

2938
02:06:42,659 --> 02:06:40,809
it has in this modern world so you're

2939
02:06:46,769 --> 02:06:42,669
assuming here the trickster does not now

2940
02:06:49,619 --> 02:06:46,779
have a self-awareness well again I don't

2941
02:06:51,059 --> 02:06:49,629
know my suspicion is that we are I

2942
02:06:53,789 --> 02:06:51,069
thought you talked to the trickster

2943
02:06:55,109 --> 02:06:53,799
every day that's why I'm asking well I

2944
02:06:57,119 --> 02:06:55,119
wouldn't go that far

2945
02:06:58,679 --> 02:06:57,129
that's personifying the tricks do the

2946
02:07:01,409 --> 02:06:58,689
tricks there's more of a mechanism it's

2947
02:07:04,379 --> 02:07:01,419
more of a it's a liminal force really I

2948
02:07:05,729 --> 02:07:04,389
think that it's kind of a trigger and it

2949
02:07:08,849 --> 02:07:05,739
gets triggered at the proper time to

2950
02:07:10,829 --> 02:07:08,859
create the change and and and room room

2951
02:07:13,739 --> 02:07:10,839
for creativity and growth and within the

2952
02:07:16,069 --> 02:07:13,749
culture you know and I think the fact

2953
02:07:19,679 --> 02:07:16,079
that there's so many trickster events

2954
02:07:22,019 --> 02:07:19,689
within the UFO realm you know I have

2955
02:07:24,869 --> 02:07:22,029
been toying around with a third stocking

2956
02:07:29,339 --> 02:07:24,879
book and that would be stocking the UFOs

2957
02:07:32,159 --> 02:07:29,349
and and really putting down all the

2958
02:07:34,829 --> 02:07:32,169
amazing inexplicable cases that have

2959
02:07:36,059 --> 02:07:34,839
these bizarre elements to them that just

2960
02:07:37,829 --> 02:07:36,069
don't make sense

2961
02:07:41,699 --> 02:07:37,839
you know I've mentioned this before on

2962
02:07:45,199 --> 02:07:41,709
the show I've had witnesses to UFO

2963
02:07:47,879 --> 02:07:45,209
events report sightings report

2964
02:07:49,709 --> 02:07:47,889
encounters even but not give me all the

2965
02:07:51,689 --> 02:07:49,719
details and then later after they felt

2966
02:07:53,249 --> 02:07:51,699
comfortable they'd say you know I was

2967
02:07:55,139 --> 02:07:53,259
going to tell you this when I originally

2968
02:07:57,359 --> 02:07:55,149
met you and reported this particular

2969
02:07:58,709 --> 02:07:57,369
event but if I had told you this then

2970
02:08:00,089 --> 02:07:58,719
you probably wouldn't have believed me

2971
02:08:01,949 --> 02:08:00,099
and you wouldn't have taken me seriously

2972
02:08:04,439 --> 02:08:01,959
and then they'll they'll mention

2973
02:08:06,119 --> 02:08:04,449
something that just is just like makes

2974
02:08:07,199 --> 02:08:06,129
you scratch your head and go what you

2975
02:08:09,509 --> 02:08:07,209
know I could pull out a bunch of

2976
02:08:12,539 --> 02:08:09,519
examples on that one but moving right

2977
02:08:15,869 --> 02:08:12,549
along I really think that this is a very

2978
02:08:17,879 --> 02:08:15,879
fruitful avenue of inquiry I think you

2979
02:08:20,759 --> 02:08:17,889
know the inexplicable nature of many of

2980
02:08:23,729 --> 02:08:20,769
these so-called paranormal events is

2981
02:08:25,649 --> 02:08:23,739
important not enough attention in study

2982
02:08:27,330 --> 02:08:25,659
and thinking I think has been applied to

2983
02:08:29,580 --> 02:08:27,340
these elements that

2984
02:08:31,020 --> 02:08:29,590
what I attempted to accomplish with the

2985
02:08:32,910 --> 02:08:31,030
stocking the trickster book is get

2986
02:08:35,459 --> 02:08:32,920
people thinking that maybe there is an

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interconnectedness between divergent and

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seemingly unrelated paranormal phenomena

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and that that leads me to one of our

2990
02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:43,389
questions here this one again is from

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TMT techno mage tea you both seem to

2992
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think that the UFO phenomenon can't be

2993
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easily explained by the ET hypothesis

2994
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what evidence do you have that the

2995
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anomalies you're aware of have anything

2996
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to do with the UFO phenomenon in other

2997
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words could it be the classic UFO nuts

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and bolts sightings and encounters are

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ETS while the other strange things

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Bigfoot apparitions high strangeness

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events are completely unrelated after

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all we live on a strange planet

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it's our strange planet he says there

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may be a lots of independently strange

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things going on and and I I agree I

3006
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agree with that but I think that there

3007
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is a reason why these seemingly

3008
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unrelated types of phenomena why they

3009
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appear to manifest where they do to the

3010
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persons or witnesses that they manifest

3011
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to the timing of these events I think

3012
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that there is some sort of underlying

3013
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connection that may in one sense be the

3014
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trickster mechanism or some sort of

3015
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subroutine it's operative I've always

3016
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had that that feeling of

3017
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interconnectedness sure we could have

3018
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independent types of phenomenal events

3019
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occurring and they may be unrelated the

3020
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evidence would suggest that we don't

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have any evidence to suggest otherwise

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but I just have always had that

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is on some level a connection between

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this is the wrong flyer co-author of the

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listening to the podcast with Jean and

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future the past about a possible para

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answering your questions and they are

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really fascinating questions Chris you

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got a couple more I do this comes from

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Paul tourist who's one of our prolific

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posters at forum dr. Peric ascom who's

3148
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been part of the family here for a

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couple of years and he says Chris what

3150
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happened to her idea of interviewing a

3151
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psychic on the show or do a kind of

3152
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on-air experiment with her he says I

3153
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guess that was a woman that you've been

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working with what about that bad feeling

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you had about this summer I mean for you

3156
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to mention that several times it must

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have been quite unnerving and not just

3158
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some normal unspecific anxiety about the

3159
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future well let me let me deal with this

3160
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two-part question this way first of all

3161
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I do think that this idea of doing a

3162
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live experiment with the psychic is a

3163
02:16:08,250 --> 02:16:06,790
good one and I do have someone in mind

3164
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for this so this is something thank you

3165
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for reminding me I really should contact

3166
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her and we'll set up a way for people to

3167
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be able to call in during the taping so

3168
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that we can go ahead and and get a sense

3169
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of how accurate her alleged psychic

3170
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abilities are and I've seen her in

3171
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action so I do personally feel that

3172
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there's something there and she's very

3173
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well considered by her clientele very

3174
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faithful clientele that she's had in

3175
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some cases for many years so that's

3176
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that's a good idea thanks pwf for

3177
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reminding me I'm gonna give nirupa call

3178
02:16:47,040 --> 02:16:44,349
and let's line that up Jean as far as

3179
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the bad feeling that you're as you call

3180
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it about this summer I think what you're

3181
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referring to is when we were talking

3182
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about the 2012 and

3183
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you know the alleged end of the Mayan

3184
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you know Bock tune and all that and I

3185
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was making the comments that I doubt

3186
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anything was going to happen around that

3187
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December 12th 21st time period I said if

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the tricksters involved it's probably

3189
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going to happen when we're at least

3190
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expecting it and I went against my own

3191
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victim of never prophesizing or

3192
02:17:21,130 --> 02:17:18,620
predicting by saying that it would

3193
02:17:23,680 --> 02:17:21,140
probably be sometime in the late I think

3194
02:17:26,320 --> 02:17:23,690
I said late summer possibly early fall

3195
02:17:29,590 --> 02:17:26,330
well we're past that time period so call

3196
02:17:32,140 --> 02:17:29,600
me Ed Ames if you want but I just have a

3197
02:17:34,300 --> 02:17:32,150
sense that we've got something coming

3198
02:17:37,180 --> 02:17:34,310
down the pike and it's it may be

3199
02:17:38,500 --> 02:17:37,190
involved with this current budget crisis

3200
02:17:40,540 --> 02:17:38,510
with the government maybe that's going

3201
02:17:43,540 --> 02:17:40,550
to be a linchpin to really start a ball

3202
02:17:45,270 --> 02:17:43,550
moving but I do have a sense that that

3203
02:17:48,130 --> 02:17:45,280
we're going to be seeing some real

3204
02:17:50,530 --> 02:17:48,140
interesting times coming up here that

3205
02:17:52,690 --> 02:17:50,540
old you know alleged Chinese curse may

3206
02:17:55,990 --> 02:17:52,700
you live in interesting times well I

3207
02:17:58,510 --> 02:17:56,000
think we do and and I just have a sense

3208
02:18:00,100 --> 02:17:58,520
that you know there's kind of a psychic

3209
02:18:03,190 --> 02:18:00,110
holding of the breath going on right now

3210
02:18:05,550 --> 02:18:03,200
and and collectively you know be

3211
02:18:08,610 --> 02:18:05,560
interesting to see how a lot of these

3212
02:18:13,960 --> 02:18:08,620
things play out socially politically

3213
02:18:15,580 --> 02:18:13,970
militarily and maybe nature might chime

3214
02:18:18,280 --> 02:18:15,590
in and give us something else to think

3215
02:18:20,620 --> 02:18:18,290
about so what do you think Jing I think

3216
02:18:22,690 --> 02:18:20,630
you've summed it up Wow

3217
02:18:25,630 --> 02:18:22,700
leave it event let's go to the next

3218
02:18:28,240 --> 02:18:25,640
question okay I think we pretty much hit

3219
02:18:31,750 --> 02:18:28,250
him off as you were talking a plane is

3220
02:18:34,200 --> 02:18:31,760
passing over this studio I wonder it's

3221
02:18:37,720 --> 02:18:34,210
not black helicopter folks it's a plane

3222
02:18:39,070 --> 02:18:37,730
I've never seen a black helicopter but

3223
02:18:42,340 --> 02:18:39,080
you have haven't you Chris

3224
02:18:44,290 --> 02:18:42,350
I was reported as as actually I was I

3225
02:18:47,080 --> 02:18:44,300
was flying the thing when it was

3226
02:18:48,370 --> 02:18:47,090
reported as a black helicopter harassing

3227
02:18:50,560 --> 02:18:48,380
a herd of cattle in the San Luis Valley

3228
02:18:52,540 --> 02:18:50,570
I was in the midst of a photographic

3229
02:18:55,720 --> 02:18:52,550
trip around the valley in a dark purple

3230
02:18:58,690 --> 02:18:55,730
two-man helicopter and the pilot let me

3231
02:19:01,210 --> 02:18:58,700
fly it back from Monte Vista about 50

3232
02:19:03,940 --> 02:19:01,220
miles or so back to to crest stone and I

3233
02:19:06,760 --> 02:19:03,950
was kind of zooming around and you know

3234
02:19:08,770 --> 02:19:06,770
they dive bomb a couple of herds and

3235
02:19:10,600 --> 02:19:08,780
evidently the rancher saw me and he

3236
02:19:12,520 --> 02:19:10,610
called the sheriff and the sheriff and

3237
02:19:14,650 --> 02:19:12,530
two deputies raced out in their squad

3238
02:19:16,840 --> 02:19:14,660
cars and tried to tried to follow me as

3239
02:19:18,580 --> 02:19:16,850
I headed northeast and they they were

3240
02:19:19,780 --> 02:19:18,590
unable to keep up with me because I was

3241
02:19:21,520 --> 02:19:19,790
flying in a straight line and they were

3242
02:19:24,130 --> 02:19:21,530
having to do all the you know the

3243
02:19:27,040 --> 02:19:24,140
45-degree turns around ranches and stuff

3244
02:19:29,860 --> 02:19:27,050
and the next day the Rocky Mountain News

3245
02:19:32,650 --> 02:19:29,870
had an article mysterious black

3246
02:19:35,760 --> 02:19:32,660
helicopter already harassing cattle

3247
02:19:39,180 --> 02:19:35,770
herds and mana visto something in there

3248
02:19:42,580 --> 02:19:39,190
I I just I got such a kick out of that

3249
02:19:44,080 --> 02:19:42,590
yes Tina I have seen black helicopters I

3250
02:19:46,240 --> 02:19:44,090
wanted to ask you though before you

3251
02:19:48,301 --> 02:19:46,250
answer that question when you flew this

3252
02:19:52,120 --> 02:19:48,311
helicopter do you have a pilot's license

3253
02:19:54,341 --> 02:19:52,130
no I didn't he he said just keep your

3254
02:19:56,650 --> 02:19:54,351
feet off the rudders off the pedals and

3255
02:19:59,560 --> 02:19:56,660
you can go ahead and just use the stick

3256
02:20:01,091 --> 02:19:59,570
and in flight and he kind of watched me

3257
02:20:03,100 --> 02:20:01,101
like a hawk when I started out and he

3258
02:20:04,600 --> 02:20:03,110
saw that it was flying helicopter is

3259
02:20:06,370 --> 02:20:04,610
actually very easy its landing and

3260
02:20:09,850 --> 02:20:06,380
taking off it's difficult it's the

3261
02:20:11,350 --> 02:20:09,860
hovering and and being able to operate

3262
02:20:13,091 --> 02:20:11,360
the rudders that's that's where the real

3263
02:20:14,770 --> 02:20:13,101
skill comes in once you're flying and

3264
02:20:19,060 --> 02:20:14,780
moving forward it's it's fairly easy to

3265
02:20:21,461 --> 02:20:19,070
operate anybody can do it but choosing

3266
02:20:23,440 --> 02:20:21,471
to fly down and swoop down on cattle

3267
02:20:26,020 --> 02:20:23,450
herds was probably not the best idea in

3268
02:20:28,810 --> 02:20:26,030
the midst of a cattle mutilation way we

3269
02:20:30,970 --> 02:20:28,820
could have taken a you know 30.6 around

3270
02:20:33,240 --> 02:20:30,980
to the canopy or something I didn't even

3271
02:20:35,711 --> 02:20:33,250
think of that at the time but boy

3272
02:20:37,560 --> 02:20:35,721
somebody called me and said whoa there

3273
02:20:39,850 --> 02:20:37,570
was a black helicopter chasing cows

3274
02:20:43,690 --> 02:20:39,860
yesterday and all of a sudden I realized

3275
02:20:45,280 --> 02:20:43,700
oh my god that was me do you ever think

3276
02:20:48,190 --> 02:20:45,290
that maybe some of these other black

3277
02:20:51,180 --> 02:20:48,200
helicopter report suggests people flying

3278
02:20:54,040 --> 02:20:51,190
around doing their thing I think so I

3279
02:20:56,650 --> 02:20:54,050
think there's a lot of misinterpretation

3280
02:20:58,540 --> 02:20:56,660
of some of these choppers and again we

3281
02:21:00,250 --> 02:20:58,550
have to realize that any dark-colored

3282
02:21:02,740 --> 02:21:00,260
helicopters seen against the blue sky is

3283
02:21:06,761 --> 02:21:02,750
going to appear black so that's a bit of

3284
02:21:09,610 --> 02:21:06,771
a misnomer there are black helicopters

3285
02:21:11,860 --> 02:21:09,620
I've seen extremely dark green

3286
02:21:13,360 --> 02:21:11,870
helicopters that have black lettering on

3287
02:21:16,390 --> 02:21:13,370
them so that they appear to be black and

3288
02:21:18,500 --> 02:21:16,400
unidentified there are some military

3289
02:21:21,019 --> 02:21:18,510
choppers with that color scheme

3290
02:21:24,290 --> 02:21:21,029
I have seen true black helicopters

3291
02:21:26,240 --> 02:21:24,300
though I have seen them and I have tons

3292
02:21:28,250 --> 02:21:26,250
of reports in my book coming up it's

3293
02:21:31,250 --> 02:21:28,260
just filled with report after report

3294
02:21:34,900 --> 02:21:31,260
after report of choppers shooting at

3295
02:21:39,130 --> 02:21:34,910
ranchers choppers stealing pigs choppers

3296
02:21:41,809 --> 02:21:39,140
supposedly involved in in weird

3297
02:21:43,940 --> 02:21:41,819
overflights of some of the missile silos

3298
02:21:46,370 --> 02:21:43,950
up and mounts from Air Force Base in

3299
02:21:49,160 --> 02:21:46,380
Montana for instance we've had reports

3300
02:21:52,040 --> 02:21:49,170
of fleets of helicopters seen around

3301
02:21:54,170 --> 02:21:52,050
areas where cattle have been reported in

3302
02:21:57,800 --> 02:21:54,180
in a disfigured mutilated style

3303
02:22:01,340 --> 02:21:57,810
condition whatever so it's it's a

3304
02:22:03,380 --> 02:22:01,350
ongoing you know theme in the book is is

3305
02:22:06,590 --> 02:22:03,390
these helicopter reports and and

3306
02:22:08,510 --> 02:22:06,600
actually have to take fire from one of

3307
02:22:10,880 --> 02:22:08,520
these as a rancher I had no idea that

3308
02:22:14,510 --> 02:22:10,890
cases like that existed and and there

3309
02:22:16,969 --> 02:22:14,520
have been literal you know gunfights

3310
02:22:20,300 --> 02:22:16,979
shots exchanged from ranches on the

3311
02:22:23,210 --> 02:22:20,310
ground in in helicopters so once you

3312
02:22:26,420 --> 02:22:23,220
look at all this information about the

3313
02:22:28,820 --> 02:22:26,430
tie-in with helicopters and for instance

3314
02:22:31,160 --> 02:22:28,830
the the cattle mutilation phenomenon it

3315
02:22:33,110 --> 02:22:31,170
really starts to make you think that

3316
02:22:36,830 --> 02:22:33,120
maybe there's something going on it's

3317
02:22:38,230 --> 02:22:36,840
not et involved it's not that's

3318
02:22:40,490 --> 02:22:38,240
something much more down-to-earth

3319
02:22:44,420 --> 02:22:40,500
homegrown and funded with your tax

3320
02:22:47,300 --> 02:22:44,430
dollars potentially so that's one area

3321
02:22:50,809 --> 02:22:47,310
that I think some researchers who really

3322
02:22:54,349 --> 02:22:50,819
want to tout the the ET as the

3323
02:22:57,110 --> 02:22:54,359
mutilating force in these cases they

3324
02:23:00,349 --> 02:22:57,120
tend to discount and sort of throw out

3325
02:23:03,230 --> 02:23:00,359
that whole data set and unfortunately

3326
02:23:05,690 --> 02:23:03,240
you can't and as my book will show this

3327
02:23:08,960 --> 02:23:05,700
is an ongoing feature of this particular

3328
02:23:12,019 --> 02:23:08,970
mystery and there's hundreds hundreds I

3329
02:23:16,010 --> 02:23:12,029
would say close to 400 we're well above

3330
02:23:17,599 --> 02:23:16,020
300 probably around 350 potentially even

3331
02:23:19,700 --> 02:23:17,609
even higher than that

3332
02:23:21,679 --> 02:23:19,710
real good documented reports of

3333
02:23:24,230 --> 02:23:21,689
helicopters seen in and around cattle

3334
02:23:26,120 --> 02:23:24,240
mutilation sites do you think that large

3335
02:23:29,599 --> 02:23:26,130
businesses are trying to put smaller

3336
02:23:32,389 --> 02:23:29,609
ranchers out of business I do so that's

3337
02:23:32,680 --> 02:23:32,399
part of it it's agribusiness is fighting

3338
02:23:35,620 --> 02:23:32,690
back

3339
02:23:37,960 --> 02:23:35,630
to get the competition to give up the

3340
02:23:40,600 --> 02:23:37,970
business well isn't it interesting that

3341
02:23:44,801 --> 02:23:40,610
many of the the areas of real high

3342
02:23:46,690 --> 02:23:44,811
incidence are now out of business these

3343
02:23:49,631 --> 02:23:46,700
small ranches are out of business in the

3344
02:23:51,070 --> 02:23:49,641
place of them are these huge super

3345
02:23:53,700 --> 02:23:51,080
industrialized feed Lots

3346
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if you look around Greeley Colorado

3347
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areas of Kansas areas of Texas where

3348
02:24:05,170 --> 02:24:00,311
these large industrialized operations

3349
02:24:07,270 --> 02:24:05,180
are is where there used to be a lot

3350
02:24:09,220 --> 02:24:07,280
thousands of small ranching operations

3351
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80% of the ranches that were in

3352
02:24:13,841 --> 02:24:11,000
operation in the 70s are out of business

3353
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now oh boy we can look at a conspiracy

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lymphatic system and a body filled with

3457
02:28:26,699 --> 02:28:24,879
over 90 essential nutrients this has

3458
02:28:30,059 --> 02:28:26,709
been a secret too long actualize your

3459
02:28:32,999 --> 02:28:30,069
potential reverse disease call me dr. Z

3460
02:28:35,609 --> 02:28:33,009
to zero one nine four five one one seven

3461
02:28:41,219 --> 02:28:35,619
seven two zero one nine four five one

3462
02:28:44,129 --> 02:28:41,229
one seven seven Evol yourself calm hi

3463
02:28:46,649 --> 02:28:44,139
this is Don Ecker and you are tuned into

3464
02:28:49,019 --> 02:28:46,659
the para cast let me tell you what

3465
02:28:52,529 --> 02:28:49,029
you're gonna hear stuff here that you

3466
02:28:54,679 --> 02:28:52,539
probably won't hear anywhere else here

3467
02:28:57,029 --> 02:28:54,689
that George Noory

3468
02:28:58,949 --> 02:28:57,039
with gene and Chris and the power cast

3469
02:29:01,529 --> 02:28:58,959
we've come to this we're talking about

3470
02:29:02,849 --> 02:29:01,539
the possibility here that maybe some of

3471
02:29:06,899 --> 02:29:02,859
the things seen in connection with

3472
02:29:11,010 --> 02:29:06,909
cattle mutilations it's large industries

3473
02:29:12,599 --> 02:29:11,020
hiring Hickman cattle hitmen to do this

3474
02:29:14,760 --> 02:29:12,609
to fly around their helicopters but you

3475
02:29:19,399 --> 02:29:14,770
saw black helicopters Chris O'Brien tell

3476
02:29:23,039 --> 02:29:19,409
us more well there have been a number of

3477
02:29:26,789 --> 02:29:23,049
incidences which appeared to be black

3478
02:29:28,589 --> 02:29:26,799
helicopters unmarked especially down in

3479
02:29:30,539 --> 02:29:28,599
the around the border area between

3480
02:29:35,419 --> 02:29:30,549
Colorado and New Mexico I've had a

3481
02:29:37,859 --> 02:29:35,429
number of sightings of these types of of

3482
02:29:41,429 --> 02:29:37,869
you know mystery helicopters for lack of

3483
02:29:45,119 --> 02:29:41,439
a better term down there often times you

3484
02:29:47,609 --> 02:29:45,129
see them from a distance and if you're

3485
02:29:49,289 --> 02:29:47,619
lucky enough and they fly closer to you

3486
02:29:53,039 --> 02:29:49,299
you know I always have binoculars with

3487
02:29:55,979 --> 02:29:53,049
me I'm attempt to scope them out I saw

3488
02:29:58,260 --> 02:29:55,989
in one case a helicopter that had smoked

3489
02:30:00,179 --> 02:29:58,270
glass windows which i think is pretty

3490
02:30:02,909 --> 02:30:00,189
rare you don't see that very often and

3491
02:30:04,829 --> 02:30:02,919
it was a shiny black you know was a it

3492
02:30:06,800 --> 02:30:04,839
was a Black Hawk but actually the

3493
02:30:08,710 --> 02:30:06,810
helicopter and it had smoked glass

3494
02:30:11,830 --> 02:30:08,720
windows and you know

3495
02:30:13,690 --> 02:30:11,840
windscreen so they're out there what

3496
02:30:16,050 --> 02:30:13,700
they're up to who's operating them who's

3497
02:30:19,510 --> 02:30:16,060
responsible for them who's tasking them

3498
02:30:22,120 --> 02:30:19,520
is still I think up in the air and I I

3499
02:30:23,349 --> 02:30:22,130
don't want to spoil too much of some of

3500
02:30:25,000 --> 02:30:23,359
the conclusions and I'm going to be

3501
02:30:26,979 --> 02:30:25,010
presenting in the book but they're just

3502
02:30:29,170 --> 02:30:26,989
absolutely directly tied in with this

3503
02:30:31,389 --> 02:30:29,180
whole mystery and you know I don't care

3504
02:30:33,309 --> 02:30:31,399
how many theories you come up with you

3505
02:30:36,849 --> 02:30:33,319
can't throw those hundreds and hundreds

3506
02:30:39,370 --> 02:30:36,859
of reports out with the baby it's just

3507
02:30:41,620 --> 02:30:39,380
it's doing yourself a disservice if

3508
02:30:43,660 --> 02:30:41,630
you're really serious about unraveling

3509
02:30:45,670 --> 02:30:43,670
this mystery without sounding like I'm

3510
02:30:47,530 --> 02:30:45,680
on some sort of soap box here or

3511
02:30:51,309 --> 02:30:47,540
self-promotion tour

3512
02:30:53,500 --> 02:30:51,319
that won't calm later yeah this this

3513
02:30:55,240 --> 02:30:53,510
book is really gonna make some people

3514
02:30:56,950 --> 02:30:55,250
think about it let's put it that way

3515
02:30:59,559 --> 02:30:56,960
just because something is strange

3516
02:31:02,110 --> 02:30:59,569
doesn't necessarily mean it has to be

3517
02:31:04,120 --> 02:31:02,120
paranormal I think one of the big things

3518
02:31:06,670 --> 02:31:04,130
about this field is we have to get rid

3519
02:31:09,040 --> 02:31:06,680
of the stuff it has no paranormal aspect

3520
02:31:11,170 --> 02:31:09,050
not that it's not a mystery and that's

3521
02:31:13,090 --> 02:31:11,180
not important certainly cattle

3522
02:31:15,969 --> 02:31:13,100
mutilations even if it has nothing to do

3523
02:31:16,750 --> 02:31:15,979
with ET or interdimensional phenomena or

3524
02:31:20,440 --> 02:31:16,760
anything like that

3525
02:31:23,790 --> 02:31:20,450
is important as long as we look at the

3526
02:31:26,080 --> 02:31:23,800
impact to society to the industry very

3527
02:31:28,660 --> 02:31:26,090
important it doesn't have to be

3528
02:31:31,300 --> 02:31:28,670
paranormal and once we get rid of all

3529
02:31:33,639 --> 02:31:31,310
the non paranormal stuff we still have

3530
02:31:34,990 --> 02:31:33,649
lots of wacky things going on that we

3531
02:31:37,750 --> 02:31:35,000
have to try to understand and the

3532
02:31:39,490 --> 02:31:37,760
question we keep asking ourselves is we

3533
02:31:42,070 --> 02:31:39,500
have all these great investigators we

3534
02:31:44,320 --> 02:31:42,080
mentioned them earlier in the show we

3535
02:31:47,440 --> 02:31:44,330
have a number of really top-notch

3536
02:31:48,969 --> 02:31:47,450
investigators who are considering all

3537
02:31:50,710 --> 02:31:48,979
sorts of interesting possibilities

3538
02:31:51,460 --> 02:31:50,720
they're trying to figure out what's

3539
02:31:53,200 --> 02:31:51,470
going on

3540
02:31:55,660 --> 02:31:53,210
they're trying to figure out why it's

3541
02:31:58,240 --> 02:31:55,670
going on and at the end of the day is

3542
02:32:01,059 --> 02:31:58,250
that we go to the final part of the show

3543
02:32:03,670 --> 02:32:01,069
is there any way we can possibly look

3544
02:32:06,639 --> 02:32:03,680
for an endgame I don't think so I think

3545
02:32:09,519 --> 02:32:06,649
that the UFO field remains stuck in a

3546
02:32:12,639 --> 02:32:09,529
rut it's still doing the stuff that it

3547
02:32:15,460 --> 02:32:12,649
was doing back in the 1950s the UFOs are

3548
02:32:19,630 --> 02:32:15,470
et the government has guilty knowledge

3549
02:32:21,219 --> 02:32:19,640
let's get disclosure and sit back and

3550
02:32:22,450 --> 02:32:21,229
we'll know what's going on we don't need

3551
02:32:24,519 --> 02:32:22,460
to prove anything

3552
02:32:27,070 --> 02:32:24,529
because the government will come to our

3553
02:32:28,689 --> 02:32:27,080
rescue and as we know the government is

3554
02:32:30,849 --> 02:32:28,699
not very good about coming to our rescue

3555
02:32:36,130 --> 02:32:30,859
very often they can't even come to their

3556
02:32:39,250 --> 02:32:36,140
own rescue there is that yeah well I

3557
02:32:41,769 --> 02:32:39,260
just hope that this thing gets funded

3558
02:32:43,420 --> 02:32:41,779
real quick and we you know we get back

3559
02:32:46,179 --> 02:32:43,430
to business as usual come you know

3560
02:32:48,040 --> 02:32:46,189
compounding our debt because it's really

3561
02:32:50,559 --> 02:32:48,050
it's really kicking my tail not having

3562
02:32:54,429 --> 02:32:50,569
that Park open and and it's really it's

3563
02:32:56,559 --> 02:32:54,439
taken you know it's it's really hurting

3564
02:32:58,269 --> 02:32:56,569
me personally to not have that Park open

3565
02:32:59,800 --> 02:32:58,279
and I know many of the businesses around

3566
02:33:03,130 --> 02:32:59,810
the national parks are really hurting

3567
02:33:04,689 --> 02:33:03,140
right now and it's just you know when

3568
02:33:07,210 --> 02:33:04,699
you hear stories of people just driving

3569
02:33:08,650 --> 02:33:07,220
by trying to slow down to see Mount

3570
02:33:11,590 --> 02:33:08,660
Rushmore and they're in there they're

3571
02:33:14,800 --> 02:33:11,600
hustled on their way by Park officials

3572
02:33:17,260 --> 02:33:14,810
not to stop or or they're spending more

3573
02:33:20,260 --> 02:33:17,270
money chasing people away from some

3574
02:33:21,639 --> 02:33:20,270
ocean national parks and monuments in

3575
02:33:23,410 --> 02:33:21,649
down in Florida they're spending way

3576
02:33:24,820 --> 02:33:23,420
more money just keeping people away than

3577
02:33:26,979 --> 02:33:24,830
they would if they were paying people to

3578
02:33:29,500 --> 02:33:26,989
have the place open so there's a real

3579
02:33:31,840 --> 02:33:29,510
Pennywise pound-foolish scenario going

3580
02:33:33,610 --> 02:33:31,850
on here and a lot of people are gonna if

3581
02:33:35,380 --> 02:33:33,620
this continues a lot of people are going

3582
02:33:37,510 --> 02:33:35,390
to be hurt in this country's credit

3583
02:33:41,099 --> 02:33:37,520
rating is going to be severely impacted

3584
02:33:44,410 --> 02:33:41,109
and they better get their proverbial

3585
02:33:46,689 --> 02:33:44,420
mertay together well as we talk by the

3586
02:33:49,660 --> 02:33:46,699
way this may be partly resolved there's

3587
02:33:52,150 --> 02:33:49,670
talk of a temporary increase in the debt

3588
02:33:53,530 --> 02:33:52,160
ceiling so let's not get too far into it

3589
02:33:55,540 --> 02:33:53,540
because what we say is going to be

3590
02:33:57,490 --> 02:33:55,550
outdated by the time our listeners get

3591
02:33:59,019 --> 02:33:57,500
to hear this show yeah but we see how

3592
02:34:02,349 --> 02:33:59,029
it's affecting everybody but it also

3593
02:34:05,189 --> 02:34:02,359
goes to show that if the government is

3594
02:34:07,420 --> 02:34:05,199
this incompetent it's not just now

3595
02:34:09,760 --> 02:34:07,430
wherever you look there's always been

3596
02:34:12,519 --> 02:34:09,770
bureaucratic waste incompetence whatever

3597
02:34:14,559 --> 02:34:12,529
how can we possibly expect the US

3598
02:34:15,880 --> 02:34:14,569
government or any of the foreign

3599
02:34:18,429 --> 02:34:15,890
governments to have guilty knowledge

3600
02:34:20,979 --> 02:34:18,439
about UFOs and other paranormal

3601
02:34:24,160 --> 02:34:20,989
mysteries and to have been able to keep

3602
02:34:25,570 --> 02:34:24,170
those secrets for all these years how

3603
02:34:28,300 --> 02:34:25,580
could they keep the secret about the

3604
02:34:30,550 --> 02:34:28,310
Roswell wreckage how could they keep any

3605
02:34:32,380 --> 02:34:30,560
of this stuff a secret if they just

3606
02:34:34,780 --> 02:34:32,390
can't even get out of their own way I

3607
02:34:35,800 --> 02:34:34,790
think that's one of the biggest things

3608
02:34:39,189 --> 02:34:35,810
that pee

3609
02:34:41,229 --> 02:34:39,199
who believe that have not answered how

3610
02:34:44,229 --> 02:34:41,239
do you take an incompetent government

3611
02:34:48,240 --> 02:34:44,239
and assume they are competent in one

3612
02:34:51,819 --> 02:34:48,250
area UFO secrecy well yeah a good point

3613
02:34:54,370 --> 02:34:51,829
it's never gonna happen I also think

3614
02:34:56,260 --> 02:34:54,380
that if any answers come from the UFO

3615
02:34:58,240 --> 02:34:56,270
field it won't be because we wait for

3616
02:35:00,819 --> 02:34:58,250
the government to give it to us it is

3617
02:35:04,479 --> 02:35:00,829
because individual investigators will

3618
02:35:07,479 --> 02:35:04,489
get together finally and figure out ways

3619
02:35:10,149 --> 02:35:07,489
to investigate what's going on and look

3620
02:35:13,240 --> 02:35:10,159
for answers wherever the mystery takes

3621
02:35:15,819 --> 02:35:13,250
them no don't assume it's going to take

3622
02:35:19,019 --> 02:35:15,829
you to any particular place like et or

3623
02:35:21,370 --> 02:35:19,029
whatever or interdimensional

3624
02:35:24,460 --> 02:35:21,380
manifestations or crypto terrestrials

3625
02:35:26,170 --> 02:35:24,470
don't assume anything as soon as you

3626
02:35:30,429 --> 02:35:26,180
assume something you're going to

3627
02:35:32,019 --> 02:35:30,439
basically put yourself in a box and

3628
02:35:35,229 --> 02:35:32,029
we've been in a box so long

3629
02:35:37,389 --> 02:35:35,239
you understand why I also wrote this

3630
02:35:40,809 --> 02:35:37,399
newsletter item about whether the UFO

3631
02:35:43,990 --> 02:35:40,819
field is toxic why you look at all the

3632
02:35:46,719 --> 02:35:44,000
chatter online about what's going on

3633
02:35:49,000 --> 02:35:46,729
especially by true believers of one sort

3634
02:35:51,010 --> 02:35:49,010
or another we look at the arguments I

3635
02:35:52,540 --> 02:35:51,020
know there's some people out there who

3636
02:35:55,870 --> 02:35:52,550
don't like what we do at the power cast

3637
02:35:59,349 --> 02:35:55,880
so they have editorials complaining

3638
02:36:01,870 --> 02:35:59,359
about us they have blog entries

3639
02:36:03,069 --> 02:36:01,880
complaining about us really yeah there

3640
02:36:05,349 --> 02:36:03,079
are a few of those out there I know that

3641
02:36:07,689 --> 02:36:05,359
you followed you one of our regular

3642
02:36:09,399 --> 02:36:07,699
forum posters that formed out the power

3643
02:36:10,960 --> 02:36:09,409
cast I mentioned that he said you know

3644
02:36:12,880 --> 02:36:10,970
some of those things are exaggerated

3645
02:36:15,490 --> 02:36:12,890
some of those things are just not true

3646
02:36:17,710 --> 02:36:15,500
we're not in them but we're just trying

3647
02:36:19,599 --> 02:36:17,720
to figure out what's going on and we

3648
02:36:22,540 --> 02:36:19,609
hope people will join with us if you

3649
02:36:25,269 --> 02:36:22,550
disagree with us please don't be

3650
02:36:27,519 --> 02:36:25,279
disagreeable doesn't take us anywhere

3651
02:36:29,649 --> 02:36:27,529
maybe flame wars are good to get at

3652
02:36:32,319 --> 02:36:29,659
traffic they want to get all that Google

3653
02:36:33,790 --> 02:36:32,329
Adsense dollars to their site they

3654
02:36:36,099 --> 02:36:33,800
figure if they start an argument maybe

3655
02:36:38,889 --> 02:36:36,109
you or I will go to their site and we'll

3656
02:36:40,660 --> 02:36:38,899
start a big flame war on a limited basis

3657
02:36:43,420 --> 02:36:40,670
I've visited a few of those sites and

3658
02:36:46,269 --> 02:36:43,430
tried to talk sense to them then realize

3659
02:36:48,340 --> 02:36:46,279
that they don't care what you say they

3660
02:36:49,841 --> 02:36:48,350
have their own agendas that's why for

3661
02:36:51,490 --> 02:36:49,851
example we don't men

3662
02:36:53,500 --> 02:36:51,500
a lot of the other shows you know we're

3663
02:36:54,940 --> 02:36:53,510
happy that people are in this field they

3664
02:36:57,190 --> 02:36:54,950
have a sincere interest to put on a

3665
02:37:00,220 --> 02:36:57,200
radio show whether it's commercial or a

3666
02:37:03,100 --> 02:37:00,230
podcast or something that's fine you

3667
02:37:06,730 --> 02:37:03,110
know more power to them but when they

3668
02:37:09,131 --> 02:37:06,740
are simply becoming the problem I prefer

3669
02:37:11,500 --> 02:37:09,141
they get out of the way let's get out of

3670
02:37:14,290 --> 02:37:11,510
the way well you know let people who are

3671
02:37:17,620 --> 02:37:14,300
trying to sincerely discover what's

3672
02:37:20,020 --> 02:37:17,630
going on let them do it Chris before

3673
02:37:23,140 --> 02:37:20,030
most people listen to the show you'd be

3674
02:37:24,520 --> 02:37:23,150
on your way to Minnesota and before the

3675
02:37:26,440 --> 02:37:24,530
next show you'll be doing a presentation

3676
02:37:27,100 --> 02:37:26,450
tell our listeners briefly what that's

3677
02:37:29,680 --> 02:37:27,110
all about

3678
02:37:31,360 --> 02:37:29,690
well I've been working on I'm starting

3679
02:37:34,560 --> 02:37:31,370
to work on my photographs for the book

3680
02:37:37,990 --> 02:37:34,570
and it's a perfect opportunity for me to

3681
02:37:40,900 --> 02:37:38,000
create a stocking the heard PowerPoint

3682
02:37:42,580 --> 02:37:40,910
presentation and start to devise a

3683
02:37:45,310 --> 02:37:42,590
presentation around the material that

3684
02:37:47,770 --> 02:37:45,320
I'm going to be presenting in the book

3685
02:37:50,890 --> 02:37:47,780
and so I'm going to be covering the new

3686
02:37:53,591 --> 02:37:50,900
book and I've been collecting you know

3687
02:37:55,421 --> 02:37:53,601
over the years many wonderful pictures

3688
02:37:57,850 --> 02:37:55,431
that relate to the information and it's

3689
02:37:59,591 --> 02:37:57,860
not all dead cows believe me so I'm

3690
02:38:01,440 --> 02:37:59,601
gonna be covering the material in the

3691
02:38:04,511 --> 02:38:01,450
new book that's gonna be fascinating

3692
02:38:06,461 --> 02:38:04,521
wish I could go there but you'll tell us

3693
02:38:08,080 --> 02:38:06,471
about later when you get back the book

3694
02:38:09,551 --> 02:38:08,090
is stalking of the heard from Adventures

3695
02:38:11,290 --> 02:38:09,561
unlimited press coming probably in

3696
02:38:12,430 --> 02:38:11,300
November at this point I think end of

3697
02:38:14,740 --> 02:38:12,440
the month yeah okay

3698
02:38:17,591 --> 02:38:14,750
Chris it can also be found at our

3699
02:38:20,200 --> 02:38:17,601
strange planet calm because the strange

3700
02:38:22,000 --> 02:38:20,210
planet has got a lot of good entries and

3701
02:38:24,190 --> 02:38:22,010
discussions and investigations there you

3702
02:38:26,140 --> 02:38:24,200
can find us on Twitter where we are

3703
02:38:29,440 --> 02:38:26,150
known as the para cast we are the power

3704
02:38:32,140 --> 02:38:29,450
cast on Twitter there's also a power

3705
02:38:35,080 --> 02:38:32,150
cast fan club on Facebook in fact there

3706
02:38:37,330 --> 02:38:35,090
are two and someday someone will show us

3707
02:38:39,671 --> 02:38:37,340
how to make it one it's gonna happen

3708
02:38:42,280 --> 02:38:39,681
love these days but right now this has

3709
02:38:46,960 --> 02:38:42,290
been our shop Talk episode for the fall

3710
02:38:52,740 --> 02:38:46,970
of 2013 with Gina increase your

3711
02:38:52,750 --> 02:38:56,000
[Music]

3712
02:39:02,179 --> 02:38:59,269
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3713
02:39:05,170 --> 02:39:02,189
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3714
02:39:08,899 --> 02:39:05,180
presentation of making the impossible